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Can a relation that is NOT a function be one-to-one or onto?



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Let $A = {1,2,3}$ and $B = {7,8,9}$. For the relation between $A$ and $B$ given as a subset of $A times B = {(1,9), (1,7), (3,8)}$, $Atimes B$ is not a function because $1$ appears as the first element in more than one ordered pair. This made me think about the following generalized question.



If a relation is not a function, then it is only a subset of $A$ and $B$ denoted as $Atimes B$. Then can this subset be one-to-one? Can it be onto?



One-to-One?: Even though $Atimes B$ is not a function, I believe it satisfies the requirements of being one-to-one because in $A$, $x_1 = x_2$ only when $x_1 = x_1$.



Onto?: I want to say yes also. The range of $A$ could be the range of $B$. If $A times B = {(1,9), (1,8), (3,8)}$, then does this satisfy the requirement of being onto?



Basically what is piquing my curiosity is if non-function relations can be one-to-one or onto or if being one-to-one and/or onto implies that it must be a function.










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    Your notation is a bit confused. A relation is a subset $R$ of the Cartesian product $Atimes B$. In your example, $|Atimes B| = 3times 3 = 9$, but the relation you are describing is only a subset of that set of $9$ elements.
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    Hmm. This is how my professor wrote the question down. "For each relation between $A$ and $B$ given as a subset of $Atimes B$, decide whether it is a function mapping $A$ into $B$. I see that $|Atimes B|$ should equal 9, but maybe my professor only wanted a subset of the relation?
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Let $A = {1,2,3}$ and $B = {7,8,9}$. For the relation between $A$ and $B$ given as a subset of $A times B = {(1,9), (1,7), (3,8)}$, $Atimes B$ is not a function because $1$ appears as the first element in more than one ordered pair. This made me think about the following generalized question.



If a relation is not a function, then it is only a subset of $A$ and $B$ denoted as $Atimes B$. Then can this subset be one-to-one? Can it be onto?



One-to-One?: Even though $Atimes B$ is not a function, I believe it satisfies the requirements of being one-to-one because in $A$, $x_1 = x_2$ only when $x_1 = x_1$.



Onto?: I want to say yes also. The range of $A$ could be the range of $B$. If $A times B = {(1,9), (1,8), (3,8)}$, then does this satisfy the requirement of being onto?



Basically what is piquing my curiosity is if non-function relations can be one-to-one or onto or if being one-to-one and/or onto implies that it must be a function.










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  • $begingroup$
    Your notation is a bit confused. A relation is a subset $R$ of the Cartesian product $Atimes B$. In your example, $|Atimes B| = 3times 3 = 9$, but the relation you are describing is only a subset of that set of $9$ elements.
    $endgroup$
    – Alex Ortiz
    Mar 17 at 17:52










  • $begingroup$
    Hmm. This is how my professor wrote the question down. "For each relation between $A$ and $B$ given as a subset of $Atimes B$, decide whether it is a function mapping $A$ into $B$. I see that $|Atimes B|$ should equal 9, but maybe my professor only wanted a subset of the relation?
    $endgroup$
    – Evan Kim
    Mar 17 at 17:57














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$begingroup$


Let $A = {1,2,3}$ and $B = {7,8,9}$. For the relation between $A$ and $B$ given as a subset of $A times B = {(1,9), (1,7), (3,8)}$, $Atimes B$ is not a function because $1$ appears as the first element in more than one ordered pair. This made me think about the following generalized question.



If a relation is not a function, then it is only a subset of $A$ and $B$ denoted as $Atimes B$. Then can this subset be one-to-one? Can it be onto?



One-to-One?: Even though $Atimes B$ is not a function, I believe it satisfies the requirements of being one-to-one because in $A$, $x_1 = x_2$ only when $x_1 = x_1$.



Onto?: I want to say yes also. The range of $A$ could be the range of $B$. If $A times B = {(1,9), (1,8), (3,8)}$, then does this satisfy the requirement of being onto?



Basically what is piquing my curiosity is if non-function relations can be one-to-one or onto or if being one-to-one and/or onto implies that it must be a function.










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Let $A = {1,2,3}$ and $B = {7,8,9}$. For the relation between $A$ and $B$ given as a subset of $A times B = {(1,9), (1,7), (3,8)}$, $Atimes B$ is not a function because $1$ appears as the first element in more than one ordered pair. This made me think about the following generalized question.



If a relation is not a function, then it is only a subset of $A$ and $B$ denoted as $Atimes B$. Then can this subset be one-to-one? Can it be onto?



One-to-One?: Even though $Atimes B$ is not a function, I believe it satisfies the requirements of being one-to-one because in $A$, $x_1 = x_2$ only when $x_1 = x_1$.



Onto?: I want to say yes also. The range of $A$ could be the range of $B$. If $A times B = {(1,9), (1,8), (3,8)}$, then does this satisfy the requirement of being onto?



Basically what is piquing my curiosity is if non-function relations can be one-to-one or onto or if being one-to-one and/or onto implies that it must be a function.







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  • $begingroup$
    Your notation is a bit confused. A relation is a subset $R$ of the Cartesian product $Atimes B$. In your example, $|Atimes B| = 3times 3 = 9$, but the relation you are describing is only a subset of that set of $9$ elements.
    $endgroup$
    – Alex Ortiz
    Mar 17 at 17:52










  • $begingroup$
    Hmm. This is how my professor wrote the question down. "For each relation between $A$ and $B$ given as a subset of $Atimes B$, decide whether it is a function mapping $A$ into $B$. I see that $|Atimes B|$ should equal 9, but maybe my professor only wanted a subset of the relation?
    $endgroup$
    – Evan Kim
    Mar 17 at 17:57


















  • $begingroup$
    Your notation is a bit confused. A relation is a subset $R$ of the Cartesian product $Atimes B$. In your example, $|Atimes B| = 3times 3 = 9$, but the relation you are describing is only a subset of that set of $9$ elements.
    $endgroup$
    – Alex Ortiz
    Mar 17 at 17:52










  • $begingroup$
    Hmm. This is how my professor wrote the question down. "For each relation between $A$ and $B$ given as a subset of $Atimes B$, decide whether it is a function mapping $A$ into $B$. I see that $|Atimes B|$ should equal 9, but maybe my professor only wanted a subset of the relation?
    $endgroup$
    – Evan Kim
    Mar 17 at 17:57
















$begingroup$
Your notation is a bit confused. A relation is a subset $R$ of the Cartesian product $Atimes B$. In your example, $|Atimes B| = 3times 3 = 9$, but the relation you are describing is only a subset of that set of $9$ elements.
$endgroup$
– Alex Ortiz
Mar 17 at 17:52




$begingroup$
Your notation is a bit confused. A relation is a subset $R$ of the Cartesian product $Atimes B$. In your example, $|Atimes B| = 3times 3 = 9$, but the relation you are describing is only a subset of that set of $9$ elements.
$endgroup$
– Alex Ortiz
Mar 17 at 17:52












$begingroup$
Hmm. This is how my professor wrote the question down. "For each relation between $A$ and $B$ given as a subset of $Atimes B$, decide whether it is a function mapping $A$ into $B$. I see that $|Atimes B|$ should equal 9, but maybe my professor only wanted a subset of the relation?
$endgroup$
– Evan Kim
Mar 17 at 17:57




$begingroup$
Hmm. This is how my professor wrote the question down. "For each relation between $A$ and $B$ given as a subset of $Atimes B$, decide whether it is a function mapping $A$ into $B$. I see that $|Atimes B|$ should equal 9, but maybe my professor only wanted a subset of the relation?
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The answer here is yes, relations which are not functions can also be described as injective or surjective. You can read more about it on the wikipedia page here under the section titled "Special types of binary relations," but the definitions are the natural ones:




A relation $Rsubset Atimes B$ is injective if for all $a,a'in A$ and $bin B$, $(a,b)in R$ and $(a',b)in R$ implies $a = a'$.



A relation $Rsubset Atimes B$ is surjective if for each $bin B$, there is some $ain A$ such that $(a,b)in R$.




Some example will hopefully clarify:




  • If $A = {mathbf{1}}$, a singleton with one element, and $B = {mathbf 1,mathbf 2,mathbf 3}$, then the relation $R = {(mathbf 1,mathbf 1), (mathbf 1,mathbf 2), (mathbf 1,mathbf 3)}$ is surjective. The relation $R$ is not injective, and it is not a function.


  • If $A = B = Bbb Z$, the set of integers, and $R = emptyset subset Atimes B$ is the empty set, then $R$ is injective (hint: vacuous truth), it is not surjective, and it is a function (vacuous truth again).


  • If $A = Bbb R$, the set of real numbers, $B = Bbb R_{ge 0}$, the set of non-negative real numbers, and $Rsubset Atimes B$ is the relation $R={(x,x^2): xin Bbb R}$, then $R$ is a surjective function, but it is not injective.







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    ahhh great! So in a way, a function is basically a subset of a binary relation!
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    $begingroup$
    @EvanKim: Functions are a special case of relations, which are merely subsets of the Cartesian product $Atimes B$. The defining feature of functions is that corresponding to each element of the domain, is a unique element in the codomain.
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    Great, thanks for the edit too. I will be sure to read more about binary relations and review your examples again
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The answer here is yes, relations which are not functions can also be described as injective or surjective. You can read more about it on the wikipedia page here under the section titled "Special types of binary relations," but the definitions are the natural ones:




A relation $Rsubset Atimes B$ is injective if for all $a,a'in A$ and $bin B$, $(a,b)in R$ and $(a',b)in R$ implies $a = a'$.



A relation $Rsubset Atimes B$ is surjective if for each $bin B$, there is some $ain A$ such that $(a,b)in R$.




Some example will hopefully clarify:




  • If $A = {mathbf{1}}$, a singleton with one element, and $B = {mathbf 1,mathbf 2,mathbf 3}$, then the relation $R = {(mathbf 1,mathbf 1), (mathbf 1,mathbf 2), (mathbf 1,mathbf 3)}$ is surjective. The relation $R$ is not injective, and it is not a function.


  • If $A = B = Bbb Z$, the set of integers, and $R = emptyset subset Atimes B$ is the empty set, then $R$ is injective (hint: vacuous truth), it is not surjective, and it is a function (vacuous truth again).


  • If $A = Bbb R$, the set of real numbers, $B = Bbb R_{ge 0}$, the set of non-negative real numbers, and $Rsubset Atimes B$ is the relation $R={(x,x^2): xin Bbb R}$, then $R$ is a surjective function, but it is not injective.







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    ahhh great! So in a way, a function is basically a subset of a binary relation!
    $endgroup$
    – Evan Kim
    Mar 17 at 18:02








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @EvanKim: Functions are a special case of relations, which are merely subsets of the Cartesian product $Atimes B$. The defining feature of functions is that corresponding to each element of the domain, is a unique element in the codomain.
    $endgroup$
    – Alex Ortiz
    Mar 17 at 18:08










  • $begingroup$
    Great, thanks for the edit too. I will be sure to read more about binary relations and review your examples again
    $endgroup$
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    Mar 17 at 18:23
















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$begingroup$

The answer here is yes, relations which are not functions can also be described as injective or surjective. You can read more about it on the wikipedia page here under the section titled "Special types of binary relations," but the definitions are the natural ones:




A relation $Rsubset Atimes B$ is injective if for all $a,a'in A$ and $bin B$, $(a,b)in R$ and $(a',b)in R$ implies $a = a'$.



A relation $Rsubset Atimes B$ is surjective if for each $bin B$, there is some $ain A$ such that $(a,b)in R$.




Some example will hopefully clarify:




  • If $A = {mathbf{1}}$, a singleton with one element, and $B = {mathbf 1,mathbf 2,mathbf 3}$, then the relation $R = {(mathbf 1,mathbf 1), (mathbf 1,mathbf 2), (mathbf 1,mathbf 3)}$ is surjective. The relation $R$ is not injective, and it is not a function.


  • If $A = B = Bbb Z$, the set of integers, and $R = emptyset subset Atimes B$ is the empty set, then $R$ is injective (hint: vacuous truth), it is not surjective, and it is a function (vacuous truth again).


  • If $A = Bbb R$, the set of real numbers, $B = Bbb R_{ge 0}$, the set of non-negative real numbers, and $Rsubset Atimes B$ is the relation $R={(x,x^2): xin Bbb R}$, then $R$ is a surjective function, but it is not injective.







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    ahhh great! So in a way, a function is basically a subset of a binary relation!
    $endgroup$
    – Evan Kim
    Mar 17 at 18:02








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @EvanKim: Functions are a special case of relations, which are merely subsets of the Cartesian product $Atimes B$. The defining feature of functions is that corresponding to each element of the domain, is a unique element in the codomain.
    $endgroup$
    – Alex Ortiz
    Mar 17 at 18:08










  • $begingroup$
    Great, thanks for the edit too. I will be sure to read more about binary relations and review your examples again
    $endgroup$
    – Evan Kim
    Mar 17 at 18:23














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$begingroup$

The answer here is yes, relations which are not functions can also be described as injective or surjective. You can read more about it on the wikipedia page here under the section titled "Special types of binary relations," but the definitions are the natural ones:




A relation $Rsubset Atimes B$ is injective if for all $a,a'in A$ and $bin B$, $(a,b)in R$ and $(a',b)in R$ implies $a = a'$.



A relation $Rsubset Atimes B$ is surjective if for each $bin B$, there is some $ain A$ such that $(a,b)in R$.




Some example will hopefully clarify:




  • If $A = {mathbf{1}}$, a singleton with one element, and $B = {mathbf 1,mathbf 2,mathbf 3}$, then the relation $R = {(mathbf 1,mathbf 1), (mathbf 1,mathbf 2), (mathbf 1,mathbf 3)}$ is surjective. The relation $R$ is not injective, and it is not a function.


  • If $A = B = Bbb Z$, the set of integers, and $R = emptyset subset Atimes B$ is the empty set, then $R$ is injective (hint: vacuous truth), it is not surjective, and it is a function (vacuous truth again).


  • If $A = Bbb R$, the set of real numbers, $B = Bbb R_{ge 0}$, the set of non-negative real numbers, and $Rsubset Atimes B$ is the relation $R={(x,x^2): xin Bbb R}$, then $R$ is a surjective function, but it is not injective.







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The answer here is yes, relations which are not functions can also be described as injective or surjective. You can read more about it on the wikipedia page here under the section titled "Special types of binary relations," but the definitions are the natural ones:




A relation $Rsubset Atimes B$ is injective if for all $a,a'in A$ and $bin B$, $(a,b)in R$ and $(a',b)in R$ implies $a = a'$.



A relation $Rsubset Atimes B$ is surjective if for each $bin B$, there is some $ain A$ such that $(a,b)in R$.




Some example will hopefully clarify:




  • If $A = {mathbf{1}}$, a singleton with one element, and $B = {mathbf 1,mathbf 2,mathbf 3}$, then the relation $R = {(mathbf 1,mathbf 1), (mathbf 1,mathbf 2), (mathbf 1,mathbf 3)}$ is surjective. The relation $R$ is not injective, and it is not a function.


  • If $A = B = Bbb Z$, the set of integers, and $R = emptyset subset Atimes B$ is the empty set, then $R$ is injective (hint: vacuous truth), it is not surjective, and it is a function (vacuous truth again).


  • If $A = Bbb R$, the set of real numbers, $B = Bbb R_{ge 0}$, the set of non-negative real numbers, and $Rsubset Atimes B$ is the relation $R={(x,x^2): xin Bbb R}$, then $R$ is a surjective function, but it is not injective.








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  • $begingroup$
    ahhh great! So in a way, a function is basically a subset of a binary relation!
    $endgroup$
    – Evan Kim
    Mar 17 at 18:02








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @EvanKim: Functions are a special case of relations, which are merely subsets of the Cartesian product $Atimes B$. The defining feature of functions is that corresponding to each element of the domain, is a unique element in the codomain.
    $endgroup$
    – Alex Ortiz
    Mar 17 at 18:08










  • $begingroup$
    Great, thanks for the edit too. I will be sure to read more about binary relations and review your examples again
    $endgroup$
    – Evan Kim
    Mar 17 at 18:23


















  • $begingroup$
    ahhh great! So in a way, a function is basically a subset of a binary relation!
    $endgroup$
    – Evan Kim
    Mar 17 at 18:02








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @EvanKim: Functions are a special case of relations, which are merely subsets of the Cartesian product $Atimes B$. The defining feature of functions is that corresponding to each element of the domain, is a unique element in the codomain.
    $endgroup$
    – Alex Ortiz
    Mar 17 at 18:08










  • $begingroup$
    Great, thanks for the edit too. I will be sure to read more about binary relations and review your examples again
    $endgroup$
    – Evan Kim
    Mar 17 at 18:23
















$begingroup$
ahhh great! So in a way, a function is basically a subset of a binary relation!
$endgroup$
– Evan Kim
Mar 17 at 18:02






$begingroup$
ahhh great! So in a way, a function is basically a subset of a binary relation!
$endgroup$
– Evan Kim
Mar 17 at 18:02






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$begingroup$
@EvanKim: Functions are a special case of relations, which are merely subsets of the Cartesian product $Atimes B$. The defining feature of functions is that corresponding to each element of the domain, is a unique element in the codomain.
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– Alex Ortiz
Mar 17 at 18:08




$begingroup$
@EvanKim: Functions are a special case of relations, which are merely subsets of the Cartesian product $Atimes B$. The defining feature of functions is that corresponding to each element of the domain, is a unique element in the codomain.
$endgroup$
– Alex Ortiz
Mar 17 at 18:08












$begingroup$
Great, thanks for the edit too. I will be sure to read more about binary relations and review your examples again
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– Evan Kim
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Great, thanks for the edit too. I will be sure to read more about binary relations and review your examples again
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