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Is Electric Central Heating worth it if using Solar Panels?
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I understand that electric heating is less efficient and comparatively more expensive than gas heating (propane or natural gas), but considering I live in Texas (a lot of sunlight) and I intend to install solar panels, would it be cheaper and more effective to install an electric heating system instead of gas heating?
Note: my home is about to be built, so the hassle of (re)moving pieces and pipes would not exist in this case.
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I understand that electric heating is less efficient and comparatively more expensive than gas heating (propane or natural gas), but considering I live in Texas (a lot of sunlight) and I intend to install solar panels, would it be cheaper and more effective to install an electric heating system instead of gas heating?
Note: my home is about to be built, so the hassle of (re)moving pieces and pipes would not exist in this case.
hvac central-heating solar-panels electric-heat solar-thermal
Are you grid tied?
– Harper
7 hours ago
1
If you go this route, consider getting a heat pump. This is basically an whole-house AC that can run in reverse, and is more efficient than resistance heating.
– user3757614
7 hours ago
@Harper I haven't installed the solar panels yet
– Phil
7 hours ago
when you install the solar panels,vwill they be grid tied? if you do not know what that means, the answer is yes.
– Harper
6 hours ago
@Harper "yes" but did you compare to solar thermal? less equipment, lower capital cost etc?
– Solar Mike
6 hours ago
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I understand that electric heating is less efficient and comparatively more expensive than gas heating (propane or natural gas), but considering I live in Texas (a lot of sunlight) and I intend to install solar panels, would it be cheaper and more effective to install an electric heating system instead of gas heating?
Note: my home is about to be built, so the hassle of (re)moving pieces and pipes would not exist in this case.
hvac central-heating solar-panels electric-heat solar-thermal
I understand that electric heating is less efficient and comparatively more expensive than gas heating (propane or natural gas), but considering I live in Texas (a lot of sunlight) and I intend to install solar panels, would it be cheaper and more effective to install an electric heating system instead of gas heating?
Note: my home is about to be built, so the hassle of (re)moving pieces and pipes would not exist in this case.
hvac central-heating solar-panels electric-heat solar-thermal
hvac central-heating solar-panels electric-heat solar-thermal
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Are you grid tied?
– Harper
7 hours ago
1
If you go this route, consider getting a heat pump. This is basically an whole-house AC that can run in reverse, and is more efficient than resistance heating.
– user3757614
7 hours ago
@Harper I haven't installed the solar panels yet
– Phil
7 hours ago
when you install the solar panels,vwill they be grid tied? if you do not know what that means, the answer is yes.
– Harper
6 hours ago
@Harper "yes" but did you compare to solar thermal? less equipment, lower capital cost etc?
– Solar Mike
6 hours ago
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Are you grid tied?
– Harper
7 hours ago
1
If you go this route, consider getting a heat pump. This is basically an whole-house AC that can run in reverse, and is more efficient than resistance heating.
– user3757614
7 hours ago
@Harper I haven't installed the solar panels yet
– Phil
7 hours ago
when you install the solar panels,vwill they be grid tied? if you do not know what that means, the answer is yes.
– Harper
6 hours ago
@Harper "yes" but did you compare to solar thermal? less equipment, lower capital cost etc?
– Solar Mike
6 hours ago
Are you grid tied?
– Harper
7 hours ago
Are you grid tied?
– Harper
7 hours ago
1
1
If you go this route, consider getting a heat pump. This is basically an whole-house AC that can run in reverse, and is more efficient than resistance heating.
– user3757614
7 hours ago
If you go this route, consider getting a heat pump. This is basically an whole-house AC that can run in reverse, and is more efficient than resistance heating.
– user3757614
7 hours ago
@Harper I haven't installed the solar panels yet
– Phil
7 hours ago
@Harper I haven't installed the solar panels yet
– Phil
7 hours ago
when you install the solar panels,vwill they be grid tied? if you do not know what that means, the answer is yes.
– Harper
6 hours ago
when you install the solar panels,vwill they be grid tied? if you do not know what that means, the answer is yes.
– Harper
6 hours ago
@Harper "yes" but did you compare to solar thermal? less equipment, lower capital cost etc?
– Solar Mike
6 hours ago
@Harper "yes" but did you compare to solar thermal? less equipment, lower capital cost etc?
– Solar Mike
6 hours ago
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Assuming that you are (a) on the regular electric utility grid and (b) are on the regular natural gas delivery system (i.e., don't require propane deliveries), as a general rule, natural gas heating will be most cost-effective in most parts of the US. If you are not on the regular (utility) natural gas system then electricity has some advantages. Alternatively, if you are not on the regular electricity grid then solar panels have huge advantages (i.e., better than just relying on diesel or natural gas generators).
But assuming this is a normal (utility gas & electric) setup, I would separate the solar panel issue from the heating issue. Since you are in Texas, air conditioning is probably more critical much of the year than heating. Plus, solar panels only work during the day and the biggest heating need (and some times of the year the only heating need) is at night. So solar panels without battery storage (e.g., Tesla Powerwall) would help with overall power costs but not much with your heating per se.
Solar Panels without Battery Storage
Solar panels without battery storage are typically used to generate power that is converted from DC to AC (inverted) and fed into the local grid. Effectively, on the best days you actually generate more than you consume (though air conditioning can have a huge impact on this) and the electric company pays you for providing power when they need it the most. Depending on local electricity tariffs, you may do really well with this based on "peak demand" or it may be less helpful based primarily on usage (kWh).
Solar Panels with Battery Storage
If you add battery storage (a significant additional upfront cost) then you gain a few advantages:
- Power Shifting - If you generate more than you need during the day, you store up extra energy to use at night. If you don't get much from the power company for generated power then this can save you more (by reducing total usage) than you would gain by selling the excess to the utility.
- Battery Backup - Instead of just a small battery backup for your computer, you get a battery backup for your whole house - lights, computer, TV, heater (if you use natural gas, you need some electricity for the controls & blower - which the battery backup can supply quite easily - but I wouldn't put straight electric heating on a battery backup system), etc.
Electric Heat
There are a number of different types of electric heat. Resistance heating is basically big coils - like a toaster for your house. Resistance heating is very simple (and therefore relatively inexpensive) but is very inefficient. Actually, it is efficient in converting electricity to heat, but that is economically inefficient compared to other fuels, unless you actually produce all your power via solar panels (and therefore don't pay the utility for electricity), but typical residential solar panel installations only provide a fraction of total electricity used.
A heat pump - essentially an air conditioner that can run in reverse to produce heat instead of taking away heat - is a great alternative. It can be more cost effective than resistance heating, providing you don't get really cold. When it gets really cold, a heat pump will use "emergency heat", which is typically resistance heating, because a normal heat pump simply can't do much if the outside air is too cold. Fortunately, in Texas that works well - e.g., Dallas has average lows in the winter in the 30s, so emergency heat wouldn't need to be used very often.
If for some reason a heat pump is not an option (including "just don't like 'em" which I think is much more of a problem in the colder places where they don't work as well), then natural gas furnace (using the same air handler as the air conditioning) is the way to go.
Do the Math
A lot will depend on:
- Cost of Solar Panels
- Cost of Battery Storage
- Local cost of electricity
- Local cost of natural gas
- Utility Payment (if any) for your solar panel generated electricity
- Expected total & peak electricity usage
My gut feeling is that with the gradually dropping cost of both solar panels and battery storage, a full solar + battery system and a heat pump for heating & cooling would likely make sense, particularly as part of new construction in a warm & sunny place like Texas. But your mileage may vary.
The thing with using this for heat, however, is that the sun will rarely be out when you need heat the most. This system would need to be grid connected, ideally, so that you could offset your bill in summer with the solar generation (probably wouldn't even pay for air conditioning, to be honest). Batteries alone will likely not be able to store enough energy over the year to provide enough power for heating. When you need heat you'll be generating the least amount of energy in the year.
– J...
3 hours ago
2
@SolarMike The problem is that solar thermal might do quite well for heating in the winter. But in Texas that system would be useless 3/4 of the time. Solar electric panels would produce power all year long, though obviously more in the summer than in the winter.
– manassehkatz
3 hours ago
1
@SolarMike The question is what works in Texas. Dallas hits an average high of 96 F in July and August.
– manassehkatz
3 hours ago
1
Consider the "value of money" too - a 20 year payback window on initial costs is terrible. Ideally any sunk cost should be saved/earned back in 1~2 years, otherwise you're better off investing that capital cost and earning interest. But that becomes a financial question.
– Criggie
40 mins ago
1
@Criggie Absolutely true. But the good news is that with new construction the equation can sometimes tilt more towards newer technology that otherwise would be duplicating functions already in the house.
– manassehkatz
28 mins ago
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If you design the solar thermal correctly, then given the annual solar insolation ( higher than my location in EU by about a factor of 2) then with good insulation you can avoid heating at all.
But you will need to maximize the passive solar gain - allowing the sun's energy to enter the building in winter for example.
Use underfloor heating driven from the solar thermal collectors and its associated hot water storage tank - this is low temperature compared to "normal" radiators.
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I'm confused as to how I can avoid heating at all. I know Texas is hot, but in the winter temperatures drop to as low as -3 C
– Phil
7 hours ago
3
Wow, -3C, here in Switzerland we go down to -10C and I helped build a building which is solar heated all year, with no other form of heating. Just need an architect who knows, along with an energy engineer to make sure the design is optimal. I had already compared your Texas insolation to what we get here...
– Solar Mike
6 hours ago
2
The average temperature for July appears to be 18 C in Switzerland, as opposed to 30 C in Texas. "Maximizing solar gain" when the average high is 35 C could make for some uncomfortable afternoons. That or spending thousands more on cooling to save hundreds on heating.
– Matthew Gauthier
4 hours ago
1
@MatthewGauthier passive solar gain ... in winter : read it all to understand. Just so you know, summer temperatures can easily get 30+C in Switzerland. Knowing and understanding weather data when wanting to build to these standards is crucial. One that can be useful is "degree-days"...
– Solar Mike
4 hours ago
1
@SolarMike Was this a typical installation with minor changes, or basically a one-off designed for the specific conditions? I've read a couple cool case-studies on net-zero or net-negative energy usage homes, but they were completely designed to be net-zero, and I don't think they were very scalable in production. I'm curious if they are able to standardize a regular home design to account for pure solar heating, or if it requires considerable effort per installation.
– JMac
4 hours ago
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On a new build, your very first stop is passive solar design. Strutting forward and designing a bad old stickhouse, and then bolting on solar as an afterthought, is wasteful.
Passive solar design means engineering the building so it does not need active heating except on rare occasion . One way to make passive solar work is to angle the windows and overhangs so the buildings reject sun by summer, but drink up sun by winter... And then capture the solar heat energy in the building's rather considerable thermal mass. This does not happen by default obviously, you have to swerve out of your way to design the building for that. Design time is the time to do this.
Cheap resistive electric heat is a good complement to passive solar design, since you so rarely need active heat.
Another design aspect is heat pumps, though with passive solar design they are 99% of the time in A/C mode. And ideally you want to interchange with groundwater as your ultimate heat sink, since it is cooler than you want your house to be, and therefore in A/C mode, your heat pump is .pushing heat downhill. Which makes it more efficient.
The overall point is, don't design for inefficiency just because it is conventional, and then try to bolt on efficiency as an afterthought. Really explore the state of the art.
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If you have enough solar in place to manage cooling during the summer, you probably have enough solar to manage heating during the winter. The question is if you can get more money from selling the solar to the grid, and using that money to buy gas for heating. The answer is usually yes, as long as you can sell to the grid at a decent price.
Probably better for the environment, too. Most electricity comes from fossil fuels, and that's less efficient than burning them for heat. By pushing solar to the grid, you can reduce the fossil fuels needed for power.
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My preferred way is small split ac, reversible, COP of 1 to 3. Service can be expensive.
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COP of less than 3 is low, good stuff with good control should be +4 when designed to match the loads properly...
– Solar Mike
3 hours ago
2
@SolarMike COP depends on the outside temperature. You're thinking of COP at standard conditions, which are not applicable to many areas, and lead to incorrect sizing. The most important part of selecting heat pumps is to know the outside temperature where COP hits 1, as well as knowing when resistance heat is necessary.
– user71659
2 hours ago
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Assuming that you are (a) on the regular electric utility grid and (b) are on the regular natural gas delivery system (i.e., don't require propane deliveries), as a general rule, natural gas heating will be most cost-effective in most parts of the US. If you are not on the regular (utility) natural gas system then electricity has some advantages. Alternatively, if you are not on the regular electricity grid then solar panels have huge advantages (i.e., better than just relying on diesel or natural gas generators).
But assuming this is a normal (utility gas & electric) setup, I would separate the solar panel issue from the heating issue. Since you are in Texas, air conditioning is probably more critical much of the year than heating. Plus, solar panels only work during the day and the biggest heating need (and some times of the year the only heating need) is at night. So solar panels without battery storage (e.g., Tesla Powerwall) would help with overall power costs but not much with your heating per se.
Solar Panels without Battery Storage
Solar panels without battery storage are typically used to generate power that is converted from DC to AC (inverted) and fed into the local grid. Effectively, on the best days you actually generate more than you consume (though air conditioning can have a huge impact on this) and the electric company pays you for providing power when they need it the most. Depending on local electricity tariffs, you may do really well with this based on "peak demand" or it may be less helpful based primarily on usage (kWh).
Solar Panels with Battery Storage
If you add battery storage (a significant additional upfront cost) then you gain a few advantages:
- Power Shifting - If you generate more than you need during the day, you store up extra energy to use at night. If you don't get much from the power company for generated power then this can save you more (by reducing total usage) than you would gain by selling the excess to the utility.
- Battery Backup - Instead of just a small battery backup for your computer, you get a battery backup for your whole house - lights, computer, TV, heater (if you use natural gas, you need some electricity for the controls & blower - which the battery backup can supply quite easily - but I wouldn't put straight electric heating on a battery backup system), etc.
Electric Heat
There are a number of different types of electric heat. Resistance heating is basically big coils - like a toaster for your house. Resistance heating is very simple (and therefore relatively inexpensive) but is very inefficient. Actually, it is efficient in converting electricity to heat, but that is economically inefficient compared to other fuels, unless you actually produce all your power via solar panels (and therefore don't pay the utility for electricity), but typical residential solar panel installations only provide a fraction of total electricity used.
A heat pump - essentially an air conditioner that can run in reverse to produce heat instead of taking away heat - is a great alternative. It can be more cost effective than resistance heating, providing you don't get really cold. When it gets really cold, a heat pump will use "emergency heat", which is typically resistance heating, because a normal heat pump simply can't do much if the outside air is too cold. Fortunately, in Texas that works well - e.g., Dallas has average lows in the winter in the 30s, so emergency heat wouldn't need to be used very often.
If for some reason a heat pump is not an option (including "just don't like 'em" which I think is much more of a problem in the colder places where they don't work as well), then natural gas furnace (using the same air handler as the air conditioning) is the way to go.
Do the Math
A lot will depend on:
- Cost of Solar Panels
- Cost of Battery Storage
- Local cost of electricity
- Local cost of natural gas
- Utility Payment (if any) for your solar panel generated electricity
- Expected total & peak electricity usage
My gut feeling is that with the gradually dropping cost of both solar panels and battery storage, a full solar + battery system and a heat pump for heating & cooling would likely make sense, particularly as part of new construction in a warm & sunny place like Texas. But your mileage may vary.
The thing with using this for heat, however, is that the sun will rarely be out when you need heat the most. This system would need to be grid connected, ideally, so that you could offset your bill in summer with the solar generation (probably wouldn't even pay for air conditioning, to be honest). Batteries alone will likely not be able to store enough energy over the year to provide enough power for heating. When you need heat you'll be generating the least amount of energy in the year.
– J...
3 hours ago
2
@SolarMike The problem is that solar thermal might do quite well for heating in the winter. But in Texas that system would be useless 3/4 of the time. Solar electric panels would produce power all year long, though obviously more in the summer than in the winter.
– manassehkatz
3 hours ago
1
@SolarMike The question is what works in Texas. Dallas hits an average high of 96 F in July and August.
– manassehkatz
3 hours ago
1
Consider the "value of money" too - a 20 year payback window on initial costs is terrible. Ideally any sunk cost should be saved/earned back in 1~2 years, otherwise you're better off investing that capital cost and earning interest. But that becomes a financial question.
– Criggie
40 mins ago
1
@Criggie Absolutely true. But the good news is that with new construction the equation can sometimes tilt more towards newer technology that otherwise would be duplicating functions already in the house.
– manassehkatz
28 mins ago
|
show 7 more comments
Assuming that you are (a) on the regular electric utility grid and (b) are on the regular natural gas delivery system (i.e., don't require propane deliveries), as a general rule, natural gas heating will be most cost-effective in most parts of the US. If you are not on the regular (utility) natural gas system then electricity has some advantages. Alternatively, if you are not on the regular electricity grid then solar panels have huge advantages (i.e., better than just relying on diesel or natural gas generators).
But assuming this is a normal (utility gas & electric) setup, I would separate the solar panel issue from the heating issue. Since you are in Texas, air conditioning is probably more critical much of the year than heating. Plus, solar panels only work during the day and the biggest heating need (and some times of the year the only heating need) is at night. So solar panels without battery storage (e.g., Tesla Powerwall) would help with overall power costs but not much with your heating per se.
Solar Panels without Battery Storage
Solar panels without battery storage are typically used to generate power that is converted from DC to AC (inverted) and fed into the local grid. Effectively, on the best days you actually generate more than you consume (though air conditioning can have a huge impact on this) and the electric company pays you for providing power when they need it the most. Depending on local electricity tariffs, you may do really well with this based on "peak demand" or it may be less helpful based primarily on usage (kWh).
Solar Panels with Battery Storage
If you add battery storage (a significant additional upfront cost) then you gain a few advantages:
- Power Shifting - If you generate more than you need during the day, you store up extra energy to use at night. If you don't get much from the power company for generated power then this can save you more (by reducing total usage) than you would gain by selling the excess to the utility.
- Battery Backup - Instead of just a small battery backup for your computer, you get a battery backup for your whole house - lights, computer, TV, heater (if you use natural gas, you need some electricity for the controls & blower - which the battery backup can supply quite easily - but I wouldn't put straight electric heating on a battery backup system), etc.
Electric Heat
There are a number of different types of electric heat. Resistance heating is basically big coils - like a toaster for your house. Resistance heating is very simple (and therefore relatively inexpensive) but is very inefficient. Actually, it is efficient in converting electricity to heat, but that is economically inefficient compared to other fuels, unless you actually produce all your power via solar panels (and therefore don't pay the utility for electricity), but typical residential solar panel installations only provide a fraction of total electricity used.
A heat pump - essentially an air conditioner that can run in reverse to produce heat instead of taking away heat - is a great alternative. It can be more cost effective than resistance heating, providing you don't get really cold. When it gets really cold, a heat pump will use "emergency heat", which is typically resistance heating, because a normal heat pump simply can't do much if the outside air is too cold. Fortunately, in Texas that works well - e.g., Dallas has average lows in the winter in the 30s, so emergency heat wouldn't need to be used very often.
If for some reason a heat pump is not an option (including "just don't like 'em" which I think is much more of a problem in the colder places where they don't work as well), then natural gas furnace (using the same air handler as the air conditioning) is the way to go.
Do the Math
A lot will depend on:
- Cost of Solar Panels
- Cost of Battery Storage
- Local cost of electricity
- Local cost of natural gas
- Utility Payment (if any) for your solar panel generated electricity
- Expected total & peak electricity usage
My gut feeling is that with the gradually dropping cost of both solar panels and battery storage, a full solar + battery system and a heat pump for heating & cooling would likely make sense, particularly as part of new construction in a warm & sunny place like Texas. But your mileage may vary.
The thing with using this for heat, however, is that the sun will rarely be out when you need heat the most. This system would need to be grid connected, ideally, so that you could offset your bill in summer with the solar generation (probably wouldn't even pay for air conditioning, to be honest). Batteries alone will likely not be able to store enough energy over the year to provide enough power for heating. When you need heat you'll be generating the least amount of energy in the year.
– J...
3 hours ago
2
@SolarMike The problem is that solar thermal might do quite well for heating in the winter. But in Texas that system would be useless 3/4 of the time. Solar electric panels would produce power all year long, though obviously more in the summer than in the winter.
– manassehkatz
3 hours ago
1
@SolarMike The question is what works in Texas. Dallas hits an average high of 96 F in July and August.
– manassehkatz
3 hours ago
1
Consider the "value of money" too - a 20 year payback window on initial costs is terrible. Ideally any sunk cost should be saved/earned back in 1~2 years, otherwise you're better off investing that capital cost and earning interest. But that becomes a financial question.
– Criggie
40 mins ago
1
@Criggie Absolutely true. But the good news is that with new construction the equation can sometimes tilt more towards newer technology that otherwise would be duplicating functions already in the house.
– manassehkatz
28 mins ago
|
show 7 more comments
Assuming that you are (a) on the regular electric utility grid and (b) are on the regular natural gas delivery system (i.e., don't require propane deliveries), as a general rule, natural gas heating will be most cost-effective in most parts of the US. If you are not on the regular (utility) natural gas system then electricity has some advantages. Alternatively, if you are not on the regular electricity grid then solar panels have huge advantages (i.e., better than just relying on diesel or natural gas generators).
But assuming this is a normal (utility gas & electric) setup, I would separate the solar panel issue from the heating issue. Since you are in Texas, air conditioning is probably more critical much of the year than heating. Plus, solar panels only work during the day and the biggest heating need (and some times of the year the only heating need) is at night. So solar panels without battery storage (e.g., Tesla Powerwall) would help with overall power costs but not much with your heating per se.
Solar Panels without Battery Storage
Solar panels without battery storage are typically used to generate power that is converted from DC to AC (inverted) and fed into the local grid. Effectively, on the best days you actually generate more than you consume (though air conditioning can have a huge impact on this) and the electric company pays you for providing power when they need it the most. Depending on local electricity tariffs, you may do really well with this based on "peak demand" or it may be less helpful based primarily on usage (kWh).
Solar Panels with Battery Storage
If you add battery storage (a significant additional upfront cost) then you gain a few advantages:
- Power Shifting - If you generate more than you need during the day, you store up extra energy to use at night. If you don't get much from the power company for generated power then this can save you more (by reducing total usage) than you would gain by selling the excess to the utility.
- Battery Backup - Instead of just a small battery backup for your computer, you get a battery backup for your whole house - lights, computer, TV, heater (if you use natural gas, you need some electricity for the controls & blower - which the battery backup can supply quite easily - but I wouldn't put straight electric heating on a battery backup system), etc.
Electric Heat
There are a number of different types of electric heat. Resistance heating is basically big coils - like a toaster for your house. Resistance heating is very simple (and therefore relatively inexpensive) but is very inefficient. Actually, it is efficient in converting electricity to heat, but that is economically inefficient compared to other fuels, unless you actually produce all your power via solar panels (and therefore don't pay the utility for electricity), but typical residential solar panel installations only provide a fraction of total electricity used.
A heat pump - essentially an air conditioner that can run in reverse to produce heat instead of taking away heat - is a great alternative. It can be more cost effective than resistance heating, providing you don't get really cold. When it gets really cold, a heat pump will use "emergency heat", which is typically resistance heating, because a normal heat pump simply can't do much if the outside air is too cold. Fortunately, in Texas that works well - e.g., Dallas has average lows in the winter in the 30s, so emergency heat wouldn't need to be used very often.
If for some reason a heat pump is not an option (including "just don't like 'em" which I think is much more of a problem in the colder places where they don't work as well), then natural gas furnace (using the same air handler as the air conditioning) is the way to go.
Do the Math
A lot will depend on:
- Cost of Solar Panels
- Cost of Battery Storage
- Local cost of electricity
- Local cost of natural gas
- Utility Payment (if any) for your solar panel generated electricity
- Expected total & peak electricity usage
My gut feeling is that with the gradually dropping cost of both solar panels and battery storage, a full solar + battery system and a heat pump for heating & cooling would likely make sense, particularly as part of new construction in a warm & sunny place like Texas. But your mileage may vary.
Assuming that you are (a) on the regular electric utility grid and (b) are on the regular natural gas delivery system (i.e., don't require propane deliveries), as a general rule, natural gas heating will be most cost-effective in most parts of the US. If you are not on the regular (utility) natural gas system then electricity has some advantages. Alternatively, if you are not on the regular electricity grid then solar panels have huge advantages (i.e., better than just relying on diesel or natural gas generators).
But assuming this is a normal (utility gas & electric) setup, I would separate the solar panel issue from the heating issue. Since you are in Texas, air conditioning is probably more critical much of the year than heating. Plus, solar panels only work during the day and the biggest heating need (and some times of the year the only heating need) is at night. So solar panels without battery storage (e.g., Tesla Powerwall) would help with overall power costs but not much with your heating per se.
Solar Panels without Battery Storage
Solar panels without battery storage are typically used to generate power that is converted from DC to AC (inverted) and fed into the local grid. Effectively, on the best days you actually generate more than you consume (though air conditioning can have a huge impact on this) and the electric company pays you for providing power when they need it the most. Depending on local electricity tariffs, you may do really well with this based on "peak demand" or it may be less helpful based primarily on usage (kWh).
Solar Panels with Battery Storage
If you add battery storage (a significant additional upfront cost) then you gain a few advantages:
- Power Shifting - If you generate more than you need during the day, you store up extra energy to use at night. If you don't get much from the power company for generated power then this can save you more (by reducing total usage) than you would gain by selling the excess to the utility.
- Battery Backup - Instead of just a small battery backup for your computer, you get a battery backup for your whole house - lights, computer, TV, heater (if you use natural gas, you need some electricity for the controls & blower - which the battery backup can supply quite easily - but I wouldn't put straight electric heating on a battery backup system), etc.
Electric Heat
There are a number of different types of electric heat. Resistance heating is basically big coils - like a toaster for your house. Resistance heating is very simple (and therefore relatively inexpensive) but is very inefficient. Actually, it is efficient in converting electricity to heat, but that is economically inefficient compared to other fuels, unless you actually produce all your power via solar panels (and therefore don't pay the utility for electricity), but typical residential solar panel installations only provide a fraction of total electricity used.
A heat pump - essentially an air conditioner that can run in reverse to produce heat instead of taking away heat - is a great alternative. It can be more cost effective than resistance heating, providing you don't get really cold. When it gets really cold, a heat pump will use "emergency heat", which is typically resistance heating, because a normal heat pump simply can't do much if the outside air is too cold. Fortunately, in Texas that works well - e.g., Dallas has average lows in the winter in the 30s, so emergency heat wouldn't need to be used very often.
If for some reason a heat pump is not an option (including "just don't like 'em" which I think is much more of a problem in the colder places where they don't work as well), then natural gas furnace (using the same air handler as the air conditioning) is the way to go.
Do the Math
A lot will depend on:
- Cost of Solar Panels
- Cost of Battery Storage
- Local cost of electricity
- Local cost of natural gas
- Utility Payment (if any) for your solar panel generated electricity
- Expected total & peak electricity usage
My gut feeling is that with the gradually dropping cost of both solar panels and battery storage, a full solar + battery system and a heat pump for heating & cooling would likely make sense, particularly as part of new construction in a warm & sunny place like Texas. But your mileage may vary.
answered 7 hours ago
manassehkatzmanassehkatz
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The thing with using this for heat, however, is that the sun will rarely be out when you need heat the most. This system would need to be grid connected, ideally, so that you could offset your bill in summer with the solar generation (probably wouldn't even pay for air conditioning, to be honest). Batteries alone will likely not be able to store enough energy over the year to provide enough power for heating. When you need heat you'll be generating the least amount of energy in the year.
– J...
3 hours ago
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@SolarMike The problem is that solar thermal might do quite well for heating in the winter. But in Texas that system would be useless 3/4 of the time. Solar electric panels would produce power all year long, though obviously more in the summer than in the winter.
– manassehkatz
3 hours ago
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@SolarMike The question is what works in Texas. Dallas hits an average high of 96 F in July and August.
– manassehkatz
3 hours ago
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Consider the "value of money" too - a 20 year payback window on initial costs is terrible. Ideally any sunk cost should be saved/earned back in 1~2 years, otherwise you're better off investing that capital cost and earning interest. But that becomes a financial question.
– Criggie
40 mins ago
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@Criggie Absolutely true. But the good news is that with new construction the equation can sometimes tilt more towards newer technology that otherwise would be duplicating functions already in the house.
– manassehkatz
28 mins ago
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The thing with using this for heat, however, is that the sun will rarely be out when you need heat the most. This system would need to be grid connected, ideally, so that you could offset your bill in summer with the solar generation (probably wouldn't even pay for air conditioning, to be honest). Batteries alone will likely not be able to store enough energy over the year to provide enough power for heating. When you need heat you'll be generating the least amount of energy in the year.
– J...
3 hours ago
2
@SolarMike The problem is that solar thermal might do quite well for heating in the winter. But in Texas that system would be useless 3/4 of the time. Solar electric panels would produce power all year long, though obviously more in the summer than in the winter.
– manassehkatz
3 hours ago
1
@SolarMike The question is what works in Texas. Dallas hits an average high of 96 F in July and August.
– manassehkatz
3 hours ago
1
Consider the "value of money" too - a 20 year payback window on initial costs is terrible. Ideally any sunk cost should be saved/earned back in 1~2 years, otherwise you're better off investing that capital cost and earning interest. But that becomes a financial question.
– Criggie
40 mins ago
1
@Criggie Absolutely true. But the good news is that with new construction the equation can sometimes tilt more towards newer technology that otherwise would be duplicating functions already in the house.
– manassehkatz
28 mins ago
The thing with using this for heat, however, is that the sun will rarely be out when you need heat the most. This system would need to be grid connected, ideally, so that you could offset your bill in summer with the solar generation (probably wouldn't even pay for air conditioning, to be honest). Batteries alone will likely not be able to store enough energy over the year to provide enough power for heating. When you need heat you'll be generating the least amount of energy in the year.
– J...
3 hours ago
The thing with using this for heat, however, is that the sun will rarely be out when you need heat the most. This system would need to be grid connected, ideally, so that you could offset your bill in summer with the solar generation (probably wouldn't even pay for air conditioning, to be honest). Batteries alone will likely not be able to store enough energy over the year to provide enough power for heating. When you need heat you'll be generating the least amount of energy in the year.
– J...
3 hours ago
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@SolarMike The problem is that solar thermal might do quite well for heating in the winter. But in Texas that system would be useless 3/4 of the time. Solar electric panels would produce power all year long, though obviously more in the summer than in the winter.
– manassehkatz
3 hours ago
@SolarMike The problem is that solar thermal might do quite well for heating in the winter. But in Texas that system would be useless 3/4 of the time. Solar electric panels would produce power all year long, though obviously more in the summer than in the winter.
– manassehkatz
3 hours ago
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@SolarMike The question is what works in Texas. Dallas hits an average high of 96 F in July and August.
– manassehkatz
3 hours ago
@SolarMike The question is what works in Texas. Dallas hits an average high of 96 F in July and August.
– manassehkatz
3 hours ago
1
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Consider the "value of money" too - a 20 year payback window on initial costs is terrible. Ideally any sunk cost should be saved/earned back in 1~2 years, otherwise you're better off investing that capital cost and earning interest. But that becomes a financial question.
– Criggie
40 mins ago
Consider the "value of money" too - a 20 year payback window on initial costs is terrible. Ideally any sunk cost should be saved/earned back in 1~2 years, otherwise you're better off investing that capital cost and earning interest. But that becomes a financial question.
– Criggie
40 mins ago
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@Criggie Absolutely true. But the good news is that with new construction the equation can sometimes tilt more towards newer technology that otherwise would be duplicating functions already in the house.
– manassehkatz
28 mins ago
@Criggie Absolutely true. But the good news is that with new construction the equation can sometimes tilt more towards newer technology that otherwise would be duplicating functions already in the house.
– manassehkatz
28 mins ago
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If you design the solar thermal correctly, then given the annual solar insolation ( higher than my location in EU by about a factor of 2) then with good insulation you can avoid heating at all.
But you will need to maximize the passive solar gain - allowing the sun's energy to enter the building in winter for example.
Use underfloor heating driven from the solar thermal collectors and its associated hot water storage tank - this is low temperature compared to "normal" radiators.
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I'm confused as to how I can avoid heating at all. I know Texas is hot, but in the winter temperatures drop to as low as -3 C
– Phil
7 hours ago
3
Wow, -3C, here in Switzerland we go down to -10C and I helped build a building which is solar heated all year, with no other form of heating. Just need an architect who knows, along with an energy engineer to make sure the design is optimal. I had already compared your Texas insolation to what we get here...
– Solar Mike
6 hours ago
2
The average temperature for July appears to be 18 C in Switzerland, as opposed to 30 C in Texas. "Maximizing solar gain" when the average high is 35 C could make for some uncomfortable afternoons. That or spending thousands more on cooling to save hundreds on heating.
– Matthew Gauthier
4 hours ago
1
@MatthewGauthier passive solar gain ... in winter : read it all to understand. Just so you know, summer temperatures can easily get 30+C in Switzerland. Knowing and understanding weather data when wanting to build to these standards is crucial. One that can be useful is "degree-days"...
– Solar Mike
4 hours ago
1
@SolarMike Was this a typical installation with minor changes, or basically a one-off designed for the specific conditions? I've read a couple cool case-studies on net-zero or net-negative energy usage homes, but they were completely designed to be net-zero, and I don't think they were very scalable in production. I'm curious if they are able to standardize a regular home design to account for pure solar heating, or if it requires considerable effort per installation.
– JMac
4 hours ago
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If you design the solar thermal correctly, then given the annual solar insolation ( higher than my location in EU by about a factor of 2) then with good insulation you can avoid heating at all.
But you will need to maximize the passive solar gain - allowing the sun's energy to enter the building in winter for example.
Use underfloor heating driven from the solar thermal collectors and its associated hot water storage tank - this is low temperature compared to "normal" radiators.
3
I'm confused as to how I can avoid heating at all. I know Texas is hot, but in the winter temperatures drop to as low as -3 C
– Phil
7 hours ago
3
Wow, -3C, here in Switzerland we go down to -10C and I helped build a building which is solar heated all year, with no other form of heating. Just need an architect who knows, along with an energy engineer to make sure the design is optimal. I had already compared your Texas insolation to what we get here...
– Solar Mike
6 hours ago
2
The average temperature for July appears to be 18 C in Switzerland, as opposed to 30 C in Texas. "Maximizing solar gain" when the average high is 35 C could make for some uncomfortable afternoons. That or spending thousands more on cooling to save hundreds on heating.
– Matthew Gauthier
4 hours ago
1
@MatthewGauthier passive solar gain ... in winter : read it all to understand. Just so you know, summer temperatures can easily get 30+C in Switzerland. Knowing and understanding weather data when wanting to build to these standards is crucial. One that can be useful is "degree-days"...
– Solar Mike
4 hours ago
1
@SolarMike Was this a typical installation with minor changes, or basically a one-off designed for the specific conditions? I've read a couple cool case-studies on net-zero or net-negative energy usage homes, but they were completely designed to be net-zero, and I don't think they were very scalable in production. I'm curious if they are able to standardize a regular home design to account for pure solar heating, or if it requires considerable effort per installation.
– JMac
4 hours ago
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If you design the solar thermal correctly, then given the annual solar insolation ( higher than my location in EU by about a factor of 2) then with good insulation you can avoid heating at all.
But you will need to maximize the passive solar gain - allowing the sun's energy to enter the building in winter for example.
Use underfloor heating driven from the solar thermal collectors and its associated hot water storage tank - this is low temperature compared to "normal" radiators.
If you design the solar thermal correctly, then given the annual solar insolation ( higher than my location in EU by about a factor of 2) then with good insulation you can avoid heating at all.
But you will need to maximize the passive solar gain - allowing the sun's energy to enter the building in winter for example.
Use underfloor heating driven from the solar thermal collectors and its associated hot water storage tank - this is low temperature compared to "normal" radiators.
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answered 7 hours ago
Solar MikeSolar Mike
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I'm confused as to how I can avoid heating at all. I know Texas is hot, but in the winter temperatures drop to as low as -3 C
– Phil
7 hours ago
3
Wow, -3C, here in Switzerland we go down to -10C and I helped build a building which is solar heated all year, with no other form of heating. Just need an architect who knows, along with an energy engineer to make sure the design is optimal. I had already compared your Texas insolation to what we get here...
– Solar Mike
6 hours ago
2
The average temperature for July appears to be 18 C in Switzerland, as opposed to 30 C in Texas. "Maximizing solar gain" when the average high is 35 C could make for some uncomfortable afternoons. That or spending thousands more on cooling to save hundreds on heating.
– Matthew Gauthier
4 hours ago
1
@MatthewGauthier passive solar gain ... in winter : read it all to understand. Just so you know, summer temperatures can easily get 30+C in Switzerland. Knowing and understanding weather data when wanting to build to these standards is crucial. One that can be useful is "degree-days"...
– Solar Mike
4 hours ago
1
@SolarMike Was this a typical installation with minor changes, or basically a one-off designed for the specific conditions? I've read a couple cool case-studies on net-zero or net-negative energy usage homes, but they were completely designed to be net-zero, and I don't think they were very scalable in production. I'm curious if they are able to standardize a regular home design to account for pure solar heating, or if it requires considerable effort per installation.
– JMac
4 hours ago
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3
I'm confused as to how I can avoid heating at all. I know Texas is hot, but in the winter temperatures drop to as low as -3 C
– Phil
7 hours ago
3
Wow, -3C, here in Switzerland we go down to -10C and I helped build a building which is solar heated all year, with no other form of heating. Just need an architect who knows, along with an energy engineer to make sure the design is optimal. I had already compared your Texas insolation to what we get here...
– Solar Mike
6 hours ago
2
The average temperature for July appears to be 18 C in Switzerland, as opposed to 30 C in Texas. "Maximizing solar gain" when the average high is 35 C could make for some uncomfortable afternoons. That or spending thousands more on cooling to save hundreds on heating.
– Matthew Gauthier
4 hours ago
1
@MatthewGauthier passive solar gain ... in winter : read it all to understand. Just so you know, summer temperatures can easily get 30+C in Switzerland. Knowing and understanding weather data when wanting to build to these standards is crucial. One that can be useful is "degree-days"...
– Solar Mike
4 hours ago
1
@SolarMike Was this a typical installation with minor changes, or basically a one-off designed for the specific conditions? I've read a couple cool case-studies on net-zero or net-negative energy usage homes, but they were completely designed to be net-zero, and I don't think they were very scalable in production. I'm curious if they are able to standardize a regular home design to account for pure solar heating, or if it requires considerable effort per installation.
– JMac
4 hours ago
3
3
I'm confused as to how I can avoid heating at all. I know Texas is hot, but in the winter temperatures drop to as low as -3 C
– Phil
7 hours ago
I'm confused as to how I can avoid heating at all. I know Texas is hot, but in the winter temperatures drop to as low as -3 C
– Phil
7 hours ago
3
3
Wow, -3C, here in Switzerland we go down to -10C and I helped build a building which is solar heated all year, with no other form of heating. Just need an architect who knows, along with an energy engineer to make sure the design is optimal. I had already compared your Texas insolation to what we get here...
– Solar Mike
6 hours ago
Wow, -3C, here in Switzerland we go down to -10C and I helped build a building which is solar heated all year, with no other form of heating. Just need an architect who knows, along with an energy engineer to make sure the design is optimal. I had already compared your Texas insolation to what we get here...
– Solar Mike
6 hours ago
2
2
The average temperature for July appears to be 18 C in Switzerland, as opposed to 30 C in Texas. "Maximizing solar gain" when the average high is 35 C could make for some uncomfortable afternoons. That or spending thousands more on cooling to save hundreds on heating.
– Matthew Gauthier
4 hours ago
The average temperature for July appears to be 18 C in Switzerland, as opposed to 30 C in Texas. "Maximizing solar gain" when the average high is 35 C could make for some uncomfortable afternoons. That or spending thousands more on cooling to save hundreds on heating.
– Matthew Gauthier
4 hours ago
1
1
@MatthewGauthier passive solar gain ... in winter : read it all to understand. Just so you know, summer temperatures can easily get 30+C in Switzerland. Knowing and understanding weather data when wanting to build to these standards is crucial. One that can be useful is "degree-days"...
– Solar Mike
4 hours ago
@MatthewGauthier passive solar gain ... in winter : read it all to understand. Just so you know, summer temperatures can easily get 30+C in Switzerland. Knowing and understanding weather data when wanting to build to these standards is crucial. One that can be useful is "degree-days"...
– Solar Mike
4 hours ago
1
1
@SolarMike Was this a typical installation with minor changes, or basically a one-off designed for the specific conditions? I've read a couple cool case-studies on net-zero or net-negative energy usage homes, but they were completely designed to be net-zero, and I don't think they were very scalable in production. I'm curious if they are able to standardize a regular home design to account for pure solar heating, or if it requires considerable effort per installation.
– JMac
4 hours ago
@SolarMike Was this a typical installation with minor changes, or basically a one-off designed for the specific conditions? I've read a couple cool case-studies on net-zero or net-negative energy usage homes, but they were completely designed to be net-zero, and I don't think they were very scalable in production. I'm curious if they are able to standardize a regular home design to account for pure solar heating, or if it requires considerable effort per installation.
– JMac
4 hours ago
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On a new build, your very first stop is passive solar design. Strutting forward and designing a bad old stickhouse, and then bolting on solar as an afterthought, is wasteful.
Passive solar design means engineering the building so it does not need active heating except on rare occasion . One way to make passive solar work is to angle the windows and overhangs so the buildings reject sun by summer, but drink up sun by winter... And then capture the solar heat energy in the building's rather considerable thermal mass. This does not happen by default obviously, you have to swerve out of your way to design the building for that. Design time is the time to do this.
Cheap resistive electric heat is a good complement to passive solar design, since you so rarely need active heat.
Another design aspect is heat pumps, though with passive solar design they are 99% of the time in A/C mode. And ideally you want to interchange with groundwater as your ultimate heat sink, since it is cooler than you want your house to be, and therefore in A/C mode, your heat pump is .pushing heat downhill. Which makes it more efficient.
The overall point is, don't design for inefficiency just because it is conventional, and then try to bolt on efficiency as an afterthought. Really explore the state of the art.
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On a new build, your very first stop is passive solar design. Strutting forward and designing a bad old stickhouse, and then bolting on solar as an afterthought, is wasteful.
Passive solar design means engineering the building so it does not need active heating except on rare occasion . One way to make passive solar work is to angle the windows and overhangs so the buildings reject sun by summer, but drink up sun by winter... And then capture the solar heat energy in the building's rather considerable thermal mass. This does not happen by default obviously, you have to swerve out of your way to design the building for that. Design time is the time to do this.
Cheap resistive electric heat is a good complement to passive solar design, since you so rarely need active heat.
Another design aspect is heat pumps, though with passive solar design they are 99% of the time in A/C mode. And ideally you want to interchange with groundwater as your ultimate heat sink, since it is cooler than you want your house to be, and therefore in A/C mode, your heat pump is .pushing heat downhill. Which makes it more efficient.
The overall point is, don't design for inefficiency just because it is conventional, and then try to bolt on efficiency as an afterthought. Really explore the state of the art.
add a comment |
On a new build, your very first stop is passive solar design. Strutting forward and designing a bad old stickhouse, and then bolting on solar as an afterthought, is wasteful.
Passive solar design means engineering the building so it does not need active heating except on rare occasion . One way to make passive solar work is to angle the windows and overhangs so the buildings reject sun by summer, but drink up sun by winter... And then capture the solar heat energy in the building's rather considerable thermal mass. This does not happen by default obviously, you have to swerve out of your way to design the building for that. Design time is the time to do this.
Cheap resistive electric heat is a good complement to passive solar design, since you so rarely need active heat.
Another design aspect is heat pumps, though with passive solar design they are 99% of the time in A/C mode. And ideally you want to interchange with groundwater as your ultimate heat sink, since it is cooler than you want your house to be, and therefore in A/C mode, your heat pump is .pushing heat downhill. Which makes it more efficient.
The overall point is, don't design for inefficiency just because it is conventional, and then try to bolt on efficiency as an afterthought. Really explore the state of the art.
On a new build, your very first stop is passive solar design. Strutting forward and designing a bad old stickhouse, and then bolting on solar as an afterthought, is wasteful.
Passive solar design means engineering the building so it does not need active heating except on rare occasion . One way to make passive solar work is to angle the windows and overhangs so the buildings reject sun by summer, but drink up sun by winter... And then capture the solar heat energy in the building's rather considerable thermal mass. This does not happen by default obviously, you have to swerve out of your way to design the building for that. Design time is the time to do this.
Cheap resistive electric heat is a good complement to passive solar design, since you so rarely need active heat.
Another design aspect is heat pumps, though with passive solar design they are 99% of the time in A/C mode. And ideally you want to interchange with groundwater as your ultimate heat sink, since it is cooler than you want your house to be, and therefore in A/C mode, your heat pump is .pushing heat downhill. Which makes it more efficient.
The overall point is, don't design for inefficiency just because it is conventional, and then try to bolt on efficiency as an afterthought. Really explore the state of the art.
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If you have enough solar in place to manage cooling during the summer, you probably have enough solar to manage heating during the winter. The question is if you can get more money from selling the solar to the grid, and using that money to buy gas for heating. The answer is usually yes, as long as you can sell to the grid at a decent price.
Probably better for the environment, too. Most electricity comes from fossil fuels, and that's less efficient than burning them for heat. By pushing solar to the grid, you can reduce the fossil fuels needed for power.
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If you have enough solar in place to manage cooling during the summer, you probably have enough solar to manage heating during the winter. The question is if you can get more money from selling the solar to the grid, and using that money to buy gas for heating. The answer is usually yes, as long as you can sell to the grid at a decent price.
Probably better for the environment, too. Most electricity comes from fossil fuels, and that's less efficient than burning them for heat. By pushing solar to the grid, you can reduce the fossil fuels needed for power.
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If you have enough solar in place to manage cooling during the summer, you probably have enough solar to manage heating during the winter. The question is if you can get more money from selling the solar to the grid, and using that money to buy gas for heating. The answer is usually yes, as long as you can sell to the grid at a decent price.
Probably better for the environment, too. Most electricity comes from fossil fuels, and that's less efficient than burning them for heat. By pushing solar to the grid, you can reduce the fossil fuels needed for power.
If you have enough solar in place to manage cooling during the summer, you probably have enough solar to manage heating during the winter. The question is if you can get more money from selling the solar to the grid, and using that money to buy gas for heating. The answer is usually yes, as long as you can sell to the grid at a decent price.
Probably better for the environment, too. Most electricity comes from fossil fuels, and that's less efficient than burning them for heat. By pushing solar to the grid, you can reduce the fossil fuels needed for power.
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My preferred way is small split ac, reversible, COP of 1 to 3. Service can be expensive.
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COP of less than 3 is low, good stuff with good control should be +4 when designed to match the loads properly...
– Solar Mike
3 hours ago
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@SolarMike COP depends on the outside temperature. You're thinking of COP at standard conditions, which are not applicable to many areas, and lead to incorrect sizing. The most important part of selecting heat pumps is to know the outside temperature where COP hits 1, as well as knowing when resistance heat is necessary.
– user71659
2 hours ago
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My preferred way is small split ac, reversible, COP of 1 to 3. Service can be expensive.
New contributor
COP of less than 3 is low, good stuff with good control should be +4 when designed to match the loads properly...
– Solar Mike
3 hours ago
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@SolarMike COP depends on the outside temperature. You're thinking of COP at standard conditions, which are not applicable to many areas, and lead to incorrect sizing. The most important part of selecting heat pumps is to know the outside temperature where COP hits 1, as well as knowing when resistance heat is necessary.
– user71659
2 hours ago
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My preferred way is small split ac, reversible, COP of 1 to 3. Service can be expensive.
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My preferred way is small split ac, reversible, COP of 1 to 3. Service can be expensive.
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COP of less than 3 is low, good stuff with good control should be +4 when designed to match the loads properly...
– Solar Mike
3 hours ago
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@SolarMike COP depends on the outside temperature. You're thinking of COP at standard conditions, which are not applicable to many areas, and lead to incorrect sizing. The most important part of selecting heat pumps is to know the outside temperature where COP hits 1, as well as knowing when resistance heat is necessary.
– user71659
2 hours ago
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COP of less than 3 is low, good stuff with good control should be +4 when designed to match the loads properly...
– Solar Mike
3 hours ago
2
@SolarMike COP depends on the outside temperature. You're thinking of COP at standard conditions, which are not applicable to many areas, and lead to incorrect sizing. The most important part of selecting heat pumps is to know the outside temperature where COP hits 1, as well as knowing when resistance heat is necessary.
– user71659
2 hours ago
COP of less than 3 is low, good stuff with good control should be +4 when designed to match the loads properly...
– Solar Mike
3 hours ago
COP of less than 3 is low, good stuff with good control should be +4 when designed to match the loads properly...
– Solar Mike
3 hours ago
2
2
@SolarMike COP depends on the outside temperature. You're thinking of COP at standard conditions, which are not applicable to many areas, and lead to incorrect sizing. The most important part of selecting heat pumps is to know the outside temperature where COP hits 1, as well as knowing when resistance heat is necessary.
– user71659
2 hours ago
@SolarMike COP depends on the outside temperature. You're thinking of COP at standard conditions, which are not applicable to many areas, and lead to incorrect sizing. The most important part of selecting heat pumps is to know the outside temperature where COP hits 1, as well as knowing when resistance heat is necessary.
– user71659
2 hours ago
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Are you grid tied?
– Harper
7 hours ago
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If you go this route, consider getting a heat pump. This is basically an whole-house AC that can run in reverse, and is more efficient than resistance heating.
– user3757614
7 hours ago
@Harper I haven't installed the solar panels yet
– Phil
7 hours ago
when you install the solar panels,vwill they be grid tied? if you do not know what that means, the answer is yes.
– Harper
6 hours ago
@Harper "yes" but did you compare to solar thermal? less equipment, lower capital cost etc?
– Solar Mike
6 hours ago