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Normal Operator || T^2|| = ||T||^2



Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 23, 2019 at 23:30 UTC (7:30pm US/Eastern)If $S$ and $T$ are commuting, normal operators, then $ST$ is normal$T^2=I$ implies that $T$ is a normal operatorProving an operator is Self-adjoint using the Spectral TheoremEigenvalues of adjoint operator [General Case]diagonalizability implies existence of an inner product wrt an operator is normalNormal operator over real inner product spaceNormal matrix over real inner product space with real eigenvalues is Hermitianpolar form of unitary operatorWe have a linear operator T. Show $T^2=Id$ implies $T=T^*$Some property of Normal Operator










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Given a complex inner product space X, and an operator T: X $rightarrow$ X is normal i.e. T$^*$T = TT$^*$.

How can we show ||T$^2$|| = ||T||$^2$?



By the definition of operator norm, it follows that ||T|| = sup $fracTx$ and ||T$^2$|| = sup $fracT^2x$. Then I can express the numerator as a form of inner product. But I still am not able to make these two equal. Any good ideas?










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    Given a complex inner product space X, and an operator T: X $rightarrow$ X is normal i.e. T$^*$T = TT$^*$.

    How can we show ||T$^2$|| = ||T||$^2$?



    By the definition of operator norm, it follows that ||T|| = sup $fracTx$ and ||T$^2$|| = sup $fracT^2x$. Then I can express the numerator as a form of inner product. But I still am not able to make these two equal. Any good ideas?










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      Given a complex inner product space X, and an operator T: X $rightarrow$ X is normal i.e. T$^*$T = TT$^*$.

      How can we show ||T$^2$|| = ||T||$^2$?



      By the definition of operator norm, it follows that ||T|| = sup $fracTx$ and ||T$^2$|| = sup $fracT^2x$. Then I can express the numerator as a form of inner product. But I still am not able to make these two equal. Any good ideas?










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      Given a complex inner product space X, and an operator T: X $rightarrow$ X is normal i.e. T$^*$T = TT$^*$.

      How can we show ||T$^2$|| = ||T||$^2$?



      By the definition of operator norm, it follows that ||T|| = sup $fracTx$ and ||T$^2$|| = sup $fracT^2x$. Then I can express the numerator as a form of inner product. But I still am not able to make these two equal. Any good ideas?







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          If $T$ is normal, then $|Tx|^2=left<Tx,Txright>=left<x,T^*Txright>
          =left<x,TT^*xright>=|T^*x|^2$
          , so $|Tx|=|T^*x|$ (and therefore
          $|T|=|T^*|$).
          Then (replacing $x$ by $Tx$)
          $|T^2x|=|T^*Tx|$ so that $|T^2|=|T^*T|$. But also
          $|Tx|^2=left<x,T^*Txright>le|T^*T||x|^2$ so that $|T|^2le|T^*T|
          =|T^2|$
          . But $|T^2|le|T|^2$. We conclude that $|T^2|=|T|^2$
          whenever $T$ is normal.






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            Thanks! By the way, how can we get (i) ||Tx|| = ||T*x|| implies that ||T|| = ||T*||?
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            (ii) why can we have <x, T$^*$Tx> $leq$ ||T$^*$T|| ||x||$^2$?
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            By the definition: $|T|=sup_x|Tx|$. @Eric
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            @eric $|left<x,Axright>|le|x||Ax|le|A||x|^2$.
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          $begingroup$

          If $T$ is normal, then $|Tx|^2=left<Tx,Txright>=left<x,T^*Txright>
          =left<x,TT^*xright>=|T^*x|^2$
          , so $|Tx|=|T^*x|$ (and therefore
          $|T|=|T^*|$).
          Then (replacing $x$ by $Tx$)
          $|T^2x|=|T^*Tx|$ so that $|T^2|=|T^*T|$. But also
          $|Tx|^2=left<x,T^*Txright>le|T^*T||x|^2$ so that $|T|^2le|T^*T|
          =|T^2|$
          . But $|T^2|le|T|^2$. We conclude that $|T^2|=|T|^2$
          whenever $T$ is normal.






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            Thanks! By the way, how can we get (i) ||Tx|| = ||T*x|| implies that ||T|| = ||T*||?
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            (ii) why can we have <x, T$^*$Tx> $leq$ ||T$^*$T|| ||x||$^2$?
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            – Eric
            33 mins ago







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            By the definition: $|T|=sup_x|Tx|$. @Eric
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            – Lord Shark the Unknown
            33 mins ago






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            $begingroup$
            @eric $|left<x,Axright>|le|x||Ax|le|A||x|^2$.
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          $begingroup$

          If $T$ is normal, then $|Tx|^2=left<Tx,Txright>=left<x,T^*Txright>
          =left<x,TT^*xright>=|T^*x|^2$
          , so $|Tx|=|T^*x|$ (and therefore
          $|T|=|T^*|$).
          Then (replacing $x$ by $Tx$)
          $|T^2x|=|T^*Tx|$ so that $|T^2|=|T^*T|$. But also
          $|Tx|^2=left<x,T^*Txright>le|T^*T||x|^2$ so that $|T|^2le|T^*T|
          =|T^2|$
          . But $|T^2|le|T|^2$. We conclude that $|T^2|=|T|^2$
          whenever $T$ is normal.






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            Thanks! By the way, how can we get (i) ||Tx|| = ||T*x|| implies that ||T|| = ||T*||?
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            (ii) why can we have <x, T$^*$Tx> $leq$ ||T$^*$T|| ||x||$^2$?
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            33 mins ago







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            By the definition: $|T|=sup_x|Tx|$. @Eric
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            – Lord Shark the Unknown
            33 mins ago






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            @eric $|left<x,Axright>|le|x||Ax|le|A||x|^2$.
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          If $T$ is normal, then $|Tx|^2=left<Tx,Txright>=left<x,T^*Txright>
          =left<x,TT^*xright>=|T^*x|^2$
          , so $|Tx|=|T^*x|$ (and therefore
          $|T|=|T^*|$).
          Then (replacing $x$ by $Tx$)
          $|T^2x|=|T^*Tx|$ so that $|T^2|=|T^*T|$. But also
          $|Tx|^2=left<x,T^*Txright>le|T^*T||x|^2$ so that $|T|^2le|T^*T|
          =|T^2|$
          . But $|T^2|le|T|^2$. We conclude that $|T^2|=|T|^2$
          whenever $T$ is normal.






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          If $T$ is normal, then $|Tx|^2=left<Tx,Txright>=left<x,T^*Txright>
          =left<x,TT^*xright>=|T^*x|^2$
          , so $|Tx|=|T^*x|$ (and therefore
          $|T|=|T^*|$).
          Then (replacing $x$ by $Tx$)
          $|T^2x|=|T^*Tx|$ so that $|T^2|=|T^*T|$. But also
          $|Tx|^2=left<x,T^*Txright>le|T^*T||x|^2$ so that $|T|^2le|T^*T|
          =|T^2|$
          . But $|T^2|le|T|^2$. We conclude that $|T^2|=|T|^2$
          whenever $T$ is normal.







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            Thanks! By the way, how can we get (i) ||Tx|| = ||T*x|| implies that ||T|| = ||T*||?
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            (ii) why can we have <x, T$^*$Tx> $leq$ ||T$^*$T|| ||x||$^2$?
            $endgroup$
            – Eric
            33 mins ago







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            $begingroup$
            By the definition: $|T|=sup_x|Tx|$. @Eric
            $endgroup$
            – Lord Shark the Unknown
            33 mins ago






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            $begingroup$
            @eric $|left<x,Axright>|le|x||Ax|le|A||x|^2$.
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            – Lord Shark the Unknown
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          • $begingroup$
            Thanks! By the way, how can we get (i) ||Tx|| = ||T*x|| implies that ||T|| = ||T*||?
            $endgroup$
            – Eric
            34 mins ago










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            (ii) why can we have <x, T$^*$Tx> $leq$ ||T$^*$T|| ||x||$^2$?
            $endgroup$
            – Eric
            33 mins ago







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            $begingroup$
            By the definition: $|T|=sup_x|Tx|$. @Eric
            $endgroup$
            – Lord Shark the Unknown
            33 mins ago






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            $begingroup$
            @eric $|left<x,Axright>|le|x||Ax|le|A||x|^2$.
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            – Lord Shark the Unknown
            31 mins ago















          $begingroup$
          Thanks! By the way, how can we get (i) ||Tx|| = ||T*x|| implies that ||T|| = ||T*||?
          $endgroup$
          – Eric
          34 mins ago




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          Thanks! By the way, how can we get (i) ||Tx|| = ||T*x|| implies that ||T|| = ||T*||?
          $endgroup$
          – Eric
          34 mins ago












          $begingroup$
          (ii) why can we have <x, T$^*$Tx> $leq$ ||T$^*$T|| ||x||$^2$?
          $endgroup$
          – Eric
          33 mins ago





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          (ii) why can we have <x, T$^*$Tx> $leq$ ||T$^*$T|| ||x||$^2$?
          $endgroup$
          – Eric
          33 mins ago





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          By the definition: $|T|=sup_x|Tx|$. @Eric
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          By the definition: $|T|=sup_x|Tx|$. @Eric
          $endgroup$
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          @eric $|left<x,Axright>|le|x||Ax|le|A||x|^2$.
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