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One coin chosen between a biased coin and a fair coin, and is tossed n times. Find probability of having gotten the biased coin.


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In a different question, I had asked for clarification on the following problem where I wanted to just understand the problem. Now, I have attempted it and wish to know if my solution is right.



Problem statement:



A drawer contains two coins. One is an unbiased coin,
which when tossed, is equally likely to turn up heads or tails. The other is a biased coin, which will
turn up heads with probability $p$ and tails with probability $1 − p$. One coin is selected (uniformly) at
random from the drawer. Two experiments are performed:



a) The selected coin is tossed $n$ times. Given that the coin turns up heads $k$ times and tails $n − k$
times, what is the probability that the coin is biased?



b) The selected coin is tossed repeatedly until it turns up heads $k$ times. Given that the coin is tossed
$n$ times in total, what is the probability that the coin is biased?



My attempt:



a) Let $F$ be the set of outcomes where I have chosen the fair coin, and $B$ be the set of outcomes where I have chosen the biased coin. Let $A_k$ be the set of outcomes where I tossed $n$ times and got $k$ heads. I need to find $P(B|A_k)$.



$$P(A_k cap F) = frac{1}{2} {{n}choose{k}}frac{1}{2^n}$$
$$P(A_k cap B) = frac{1}{2} {{n}choose{k}}p^k (1-p)^{n-k}$$
Since $F$ and $B$ partition the sample space, we have



$$P(A_k) = frac{1}{2}{{n}choose{k}} left { p^k (1-p)^{n-k}+frac{1}{2^n} right }$$



We from Bayes' theorem know that



$$P(B|A_k)=frac{P(A_k|B)}{P(A_k)}$$



Hence we get



$$P(B|A_k)=frac{p^k (1-p)^{n-k}}{p^k (1-p)^{n-k}+frac{1}{2^n}}$$



b) In this case, we keep tossing till we get $k$ heads. Now this means that the last toss is a head. Now we know that we had to toss $n$ times to get $k$ heads.



As in (a) above, let $F$ be the set of outcomes where I have chosen the fair coin, and $B$ be the set of outcomes where I have chosen the biased coin. Let $C_n$ be the event that I had to toss $n$ times to get $k$ heads. I need $P(B|C_n)$.



$$P(C_n cap F) = frac{1}{2} times frac{1}{2} times {{n-1}choose{k-1}}frac{1}{2^{n-1}}$$
$$P(C_n cap B) = frac{1}{2} times p times {{n-1}choose{k-1}}p^{k-1} (1-p)^{n-k}$$



Again using Bayes' theorem along the lines of what was done in (a), we get



$$P(B|C_n)=frac{p^k (1-p)^{n-k}}{p^k (1-p)^{n-k}+frac{1}{2^n}}$$



I am a bit skeptic about my answer as the answers to (a) and (b) are turning out to be the same. I cannot find an intuitive explanation as to why that is.



Please provide feedback and let me know if I have solved this question correctly. In case there is a mistake, please point me to it.










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    In a different question, I had asked for clarification on the following problem where I wanted to just understand the problem. Now, I have attempted it and wish to know if my solution is right.



    Problem statement:



    A drawer contains two coins. One is an unbiased coin,
    which when tossed, is equally likely to turn up heads or tails. The other is a biased coin, which will
    turn up heads with probability $p$ and tails with probability $1 − p$. One coin is selected (uniformly) at
    random from the drawer. Two experiments are performed:



    a) The selected coin is tossed $n$ times. Given that the coin turns up heads $k$ times and tails $n − k$
    times, what is the probability that the coin is biased?



    b) The selected coin is tossed repeatedly until it turns up heads $k$ times. Given that the coin is tossed
    $n$ times in total, what is the probability that the coin is biased?



    My attempt:



    a) Let $F$ be the set of outcomes where I have chosen the fair coin, and $B$ be the set of outcomes where I have chosen the biased coin. Let $A_k$ be the set of outcomes where I tossed $n$ times and got $k$ heads. I need to find $P(B|A_k)$.



    $$P(A_k cap F) = frac{1}{2} {{n}choose{k}}frac{1}{2^n}$$
    $$P(A_k cap B) = frac{1}{2} {{n}choose{k}}p^k (1-p)^{n-k}$$
    Since $F$ and $B$ partition the sample space, we have



    $$P(A_k) = frac{1}{2}{{n}choose{k}} left { p^k (1-p)^{n-k}+frac{1}{2^n} right }$$



    We from Bayes' theorem know that



    $$P(B|A_k)=frac{P(A_k|B)}{P(A_k)}$$



    Hence we get



    $$P(B|A_k)=frac{p^k (1-p)^{n-k}}{p^k (1-p)^{n-k}+frac{1}{2^n}}$$



    b) In this case, we keep tossing till we get $k$ heads. Now this means that the last toss is a head. Now we know that we had to toss $n$ times to get $k$ heads.



    As in (a) above, let $F$ be the set of outcomes where I have chosen the fair coin, and $B$ be the set of outcomes where I have chosen the biased coin. Let $C_n$ be the event that I had to toss $n$ times to get $k$ heads. I need $P(B|C_n)$.



    $$P(C_n cap F) = frac{1}{2} times frac{1}{2} times {{n-1}choose{k-1}}frac{1}{2^{n-1}}$$
    $$P(C_n cap B) = frac{1}{2} times p times {{n-1}choose{k-1}}p^{k-1} (1-p)^{n-k}$$



    Again using Bayes' theorem along the lines of what was done in (a), we get



    $$P(B|C_n)=frac{p^k (1-p)^{n-k}}{p^k (1-p)^{n-k}+frac{1}{2^n}}$$



    I am a bit skeptic about my answer as the answers to (a) and (b) are turning out to be the same. I cannot find an intuitive explanation as to why that is.



    Please provide feedback and let me know if I have solved this question correctly. In case there is a mistake, please point me to it.










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      In a different question, I had asked for clarification on the following problem where I wanted to just understand the problem. Now, I have attempted it and wish to know if my solution is right.



      Problem statement:



      A drawer contains two coins. One is an unbiased coin,
      which when tossed, is equally likely to turn up heads or tails. The other is a biased coin, which will
      turn up heads with probability $p$ and tails with probability $1 − p$. One coin is selected (uniformly) at
      random from the drawer. Two experiments are performed:



      a) The selected coin is tossed $n$ times. Given that the coin turns up heads $k$ times and tails $n − k$
      times, what is the probability that the coin is biased?



      b) The selected coin is tossed repeatedly until it turns up heads $k$ times. Given that the coin is tossed
      $n$ times in total, what is the probability that the coin is biased?



      My attempt:



      a) Let $F$ be the set of outcomes where I have chosen the fair coin, and $B$ be the set of outcomes where I have chosen the biased coin. Let $A_k$ be the set of outcomes where I tossed $n$ times and got $k$ heads. I need to find $P(B|A_k)$.



      $$P(A_k cap F) = frac{1}{2} {{n}choose{k}}frac{1}{2^n}$$
      $$P(A_k cap B) = frac{1}{2} {{n}choose{k}}p^k (1-p)^{n-k}$$
      Since $F$ and $B$ partition the sample space, we have



      $$P(A_k) = frac{1}{2}{{n}choose{k}} left { p^k (1-p)^{n-k}+frac{1}{2^n} right }$$



      We from Bayes' theorem know that



      $$P(B|A_k)=frac{P(A_k|B)}{P(A_k)}$$



      Hence we get



      $$P(B|A_k)=frac{p^k (1-p)^{n-k}}{p^k (1-p)^{n-k}+frac{1}{2^n}}$$



      b) In this case, we keep tossing till we get $k$ heads. Now this means that the last toss is a head. Now we know that we had to toss $n$ times to get $k$ heads.



      As in (a) above, let $F$ be the set of outcomes where I have chosen the fair coin, and $B$ be the set of outcomes where I have chosen the biased coin. Let $C_n$ be the event that I had to toss $n$ times to get $k$ heads. I need $P(B|C_n)$.



      $$P(C_n cap F) = frac{1}{2} times frac{1}{2} times {{n-1}choose{k-1}}frac{1}{2^{n-1}}$$
      $$P(C_n cap B) = frac{1}{2} times p times {{n-1}choose{k-1}}p^{k-1} (1-p)^{n-k}$$



      Again using Bayes' theorem along the lines of what was done in (a), we get



      $$P(B|C_n)=frac{p^k (1-p)^{n-k}}{p^k (1-p)^{n-k}+frac{1}{2^n}}$$



      I am a bit skeptic about my answer as the answers to (a) and (b) are turning out to be the same. I cannot find an intuitive explanation as to why that is.



      Please provide feedback and let me know if I have solved this question correctly. In case there is a mistake, please point me to it.










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      In a different question, I had asked for clarification on the following problem where I wanted to just understand the problem. Now, I have attempted it and wish to know if my solution is right.



      Problem statement:



      A drawer contains two coins. One is an unbiased coin,
      which when tossed, is equally likely to turn up heads or tails. The other is a biased coin, which will
      turn up heads with probability $p$ and tails with probability $1 − p$. One coin is selected (uniformly) at
      random from the drawer. Two experiments are performed:



      a) The selected coin is tossed $n$ times. Given that the coin turns up heads $k$ times and tails $n − k$
      times, what is the probability that the coin is biased?



      b) The selected coin is tossed repeatedly until it turns up heads $k$ times. Given that the coin is tossed
      $n$ times in total, what is the probability that the coin is biased?



      My attempt:



      a) Let $F$ be the set of outcomes where I have chosen the fair coin, and $B$ be the set of outcomes where I have chosen the biased coin. Let $A_k$ be the set of outcomes where I tossed $n$ times and got $k$ heads. I need to find $P(B|A_k)$.



      $$P(A_k cap F) = frac{1}{2} {{n}choose{k}}frac{1}{2^n}$$
      $$P(A_k cap B) = frac{1}{2} {{n}choose{k}}p^k (1-p)^{n-k}$$
      Since $F$ and $B$ partition the sample space, we have



      $$P(A_k) = frac{1}{2}{{n}choose{k}} left { p^k (1-p)^{n-k}+frac{1}{2^n} right }$$



      We from Bayes' theorem know that



      $$P(B|A_k)=frac{P(A_k|B)}{P(A_k)}$$



      Hence we get



      $$P(B|A_k)=frac{p^k (1-p)^{n-k}}{p^k (1-p)^{n-k}+frac{1}{2^n}}$$



      b) In this case, we keep tossing till we get $k$ heads. Now this means that the last toss is a head. Now we know that we had to toss $n$ times to get $k$ heads.



      As in (a) above, let $F$ be the set of outcomes where I have chosen the fair coin, and $B$ be the set of outcomes where I have chosen the biased coin. Let $C_n$ be the event that I had to toss $n$ times to get $k$ heads. I need $P(B|C_n)$.



      $$P(C_n cap F) = frac{1}{2} times frac{1}{2} times {{n-1}choose{k-1}}frac{1}{2^{n-1}}$$
      $$P(C_n cap B) = frac{1}{2} times p times {{n-1}choose{k-1}}p^{k-1} (1-p)^{n-k}$$



      Again using Bayes' theorem along the lines of what was done in (a), we get



      $$P(B|C_n)=frac{p^k (1-p)^{n-k}}{p^k (1-p)^{n-k}+frac{1}{2^n}}$$



      I am a bit skeptic about my answer as the answers to (a) and (b) are turning out to be the same. I cannot find an intuitive explanation as to why that is.



      Please provide feedback and let me know if I have solved this question correctly. In case there is a mistake, please point me to it.







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          Your calculations and arguments are correct. There is only a clerical error in a) in the line after you mention Bayes's theorem: You wrote



          $$P(A_k|B)$$



          in the enumerator when you meant (and had calculated before)



          $$P(A_kcap B)$$.



          That both results are the same is a bit suprising, but then the ending state of both a) and b) are very similar: You have thrown $n$ coins and seen $k$ heads. The only difference is that in b) you know that the last coin is heads.
          But that doesn't change the general fact that the possible selections of which of those $n$ coints is heads or tails is the same for both the fair and unfair coin, and that this value cancel's out when yo do calulate the quotient.






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            Thanks a lot for the feedback. I will not edit and leave it as $P(A_k|B)$ just so that readers can locate my mistake. I suppose I left out $P(B)$ so that when you have $P(A_k|B) times P(B)$, then the equation would have been correct. Thanks a lot once again!
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          Your calculations and arguments are correct. There is only a clerical error in a) in the line after you mention Bayes's theorem: You wrote



          $$P(A_k|B)$$



          in the enumerator when you meant (and had calculated before)



          $$P(A_kcap B)$$.



          That both results are the same is a bit suprising, but then the ending state of both a) and b) are very similar: You have thrown $n$ coins and seen $k$ heads. The only difference is that in b) you know that the last coin is heads.
          But that doesn't change the general fact that the possible selections of which of those $n$ coints is heads or tails is the same for both the fair and unfair coin, and that this value cancel's out when yo do calulate the quotient.






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            Thanks a lot for the feedback. I will not edit and leave it as $P(A_k|B)$ just so that readers can locate my mistake. I suppose I left out $P(B)$ so that when you have $P(A_k|B) times P(B)$, then the equation would have been correct. Thanks a lot once again!
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          $begingroup$

          Your calculations and arguments are correct. There is only a clerical error in a) in the line after you mention Bayes's theorem: You wrote



          $$P(A_k|B)$$



          in the enumerator when you meant (and had calculated before)



          $$P(A_kcap B)$$.



          That both results are the same is a bit suprising, but then the ending state of both a) and b) are very similar: You have thrown $n$ coins and seen $k$ heads. The only difference is that in b) you know that the last coin is heads.
          But that doesn't change the general fact that the possible selections of which of those $n$ coints is heads or tails is the same for both the fair and unfair coin, and that this value cancel's out when yo do calulate the quotient.






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          • $begingroup$
            Thanks a lot for the feedback. I will not edit and leave it as $P(A_k|B)$ just so that readers can locate my mistake. I suppose I left out $P(B)$ so that when you have $P(A_k|B) times P(B)$, then the equation would have been correct. Thanks a lot once again!
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          $begingroup$

          Your calculations and arguments are correct. There is only a clerical error in a) in the line after you mention Bayes's theorem: You wrote



          $$P(A_k|B)$$



          in the enumerator when you meant (and had calculated before)



          $$P(A_kcap B)$$.



          That both results are the same is a bit suprising, but then the ending state of both a) and b) are very similar: You have thrown $n$ coins and seen $k$ heads. The only difference is that in b) you know that the last coin is heads.
          But that doesn't change the general fact that the possible selections of which of those $n$ coints is heads or tails is the same for both the fair and unfair coin, and that this value cancel's out when yo do calulate the quotient.






          share|cite|improve this answer









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          Your calculations and arguments are correct. There is only a clerical error in a) in the line after you mention Bayes's theorem: You wrote



          $$P(A_k|B)$$



          in the enumerator when you meant (and had calculated before)



          $$P(A_kcap B)$$.



          That both results are the same is a bit suprising, but then the ending state of both a) and b) are very similar: You have thrown $n$ coins and seen $k$ heads. The only difference is that in b) you know that the last coin is heads.
          But that doesn't change the general fact that the possible selections of which of those $n$ coints is heads or tails is the same for both the fair and unfair coin, and that this value cancel's out when yo do calulate the quotient.







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            Thanks a lot for the feedback. I will not edit and leave it as $P(A_k|B)$ just so that readers can locate my mistake. I suppose I left out $P(B)$ so that when you have $P(A_k|B) times P(B)$, then the equation would have been correct. Thanks a lot once again!
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            Thanks a lot for the feedback. I will not edit and leave it as $P(A_k|B)$ just so that readers can locate my mistake. I suppose I left out $P(B)$ so that when you have $P(A_k|B) times P(B)$, then the equation would have been correct. Thanks a lot once again!
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          $begingroup$
          Thanks a lot for the feedback. I will not edit and leave it as $P(A_k|B)$ just so that readers can locate my mistake. I suppose I left out $P(B)$ so that when you have $P(A_k|B) times P(B)$, then the equation would have been correct. Thanks a lot once again!
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          $begingroup$
          Thanks a lot for the feedback. I will not edit and leave it as $P(A_k|B)$ just so that readers can locate my mistake. I suppose I left out $P(B)$ so that when you have $P(A_k|B) times P(B)$, then the equation would have been correct. Thanks a lot once again!
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