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Projective planes homeomorphic?


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I am having major trouble showing that the version of the projective plane here (with a Mobius strip) is homeomorphic to the projective plane that is defined as the quotient of the sphere $S^2$..



Is this a matter of showing one is orientable and the other isn't (the one with the Mobius Strip) and going from there? Not sure what to do. Thanks for any help/attempts at a proof.










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    Do you see that the boundary identifications look exactly like antipodal pairs?
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    That picture is unclear. All four arrows look identical, so I am unsure which arrow glues to which.
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I am having major trouble showing that the version of the projective plane here (with a Mobius strip) is homeomorphic to the projective plane that is defined as the quotient of the sphere $S^2$..



Is this a matter of showing one is orientable and the other isn't (the one with the Mobius Strip) and going from there? Not sure what to do. Thanks for any help/attempts at a proof.










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  • $begingroup$
    Do you see that the boundary identifications look exactly like antipodal pairs?
    $endgroup$
    – Randall
    Feb 15 at 14:29










  • $begingroup$
    That picture is unclear. All four arrows look identical, so I am unsure which arrow glues to which.
    $endgroup$
    – Lee Mosher
    Feb 15 at 19:28










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    My fault, I have just updated the image. Hope that helps.
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    – user645044
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I am having major trouble showing that the version of the projective plane here (with a Mobius strip) is homeomorphic to the projective plane that is defined as the quotient of the sphere $S^2$..



Is this a matter of showing one is orientable and the other isn't (the one with the Mobius Strip) and going from there? Not sure what to do. Thanks for any help/attempts at a proof.










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I am having major trouble showing that the version of the projective plane here (with a Mobius strip) is homeomorphic to the projective plane that is defined as the quotient of the sphere $S^2$..



Is this a matter of showing one is orientable and the other isn't (the one with the Mobius Strip) and going from there? Not sure what to do. Thanks for any help/attempts at a proof.







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  • $begingroup$
    Do you see that the boundary identifications look exactly like antipodal pairs?
    $endgroup$
    – Randall
    Feb 15 at 14:29










  • $begingroup$
    That picture is unclear. All four arrows look identical, so I am unsure which arrow glues to which.
    $endgroup$
    – Lee Mosher
    Feb 15 at 19:28










  • $begingroup$
    My fault, I have just updated the image. Hope that helps.
    $endgroup$
    – user645044
    Feb 15 at 19:38


















  • $begingroup$
    Do you see that the boundary identifications look exactly like antipodal pairs?
    $endgroup$
    – Randall
    Feb 15 at 14:29










  • $begingroup$
    That picture is unclear. All four arrows look identical, so I am unsure which arrow glues to which.
    $endgroup$
    – Lee Mosher
    Feb 15 at 19:28










  • $begingroup$
    My fault, I have just updated the image. Hope that helps.
    $endgroup$
    – user645044
    Feb 15 at 19:38
















$begingroup$
Do you see that the boundary identifications look exactly like antipodal pairs?
$endgroup$
– Randall
Feb 15 at 14:29




$begingroup$
Do you see that the boundary identifications look exactly like antipodal pairs?
$endgroup$
– Randall
Feb 15 at 14:29












$begingroup$
That picture is unclear. All four arrows look identical, so I am unsure which arrow glues to which.
$endgroup$
– Lee Mosher
Feb 15 at 19:28




$begingroup$
That picture is unclear. All four arrows look identical, so I am unsure which arrow glues to which.
$endgroup$
– Lee Mosher
Feb 15 at 19:28












$begingroup$
My fault, I have just updated the image. Hope that helps.
$endgroup$
– user645044
Feb 15 at 19:38




$begingroup$
My fault, I have just updated the image. Hope that helps.
$endgroup$
– user645044
Feb 15 at 19:38










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First, notice that in the diagram you provided, if you are given two points $p ne q$ in the square, those two points $p,q$ are identified under the gluing if and only if $p,q$ are endpoints of a "diameter" of the square, meaning that the line segment $overline{pq}$ passes through the center of the square.



Now round out the square to get a round disc $D^2 = {(x,y) mid x^2 + y^2 le 1}$. It's boundary circle is $partial D^2 = {(x,y) mid x^2 + y^2 = 1$. Again the identifications are that two points $p ne q in D^2$ are identified if and only if $overline{pq}$ is a diameter of $D^2$.



Now consider the upper hemisphere of $S^2$, namely
$$S^2_+ = {(x,y,sqrt{1-x^2-y^2}) mid x^2 + y^2 le 1}
$$

The boundary of $S^2_+$ is the equator of $S^2$. Again two points $p ne q in S^2_+$ are identified if and only if $p,q$ endpoints of a diameter of the equator.



Finally, take the union of the upper and lower hemispheres to get the whole sphere $S^2$, where two points $p ne q in S^2$ are identified if and only if they are endpoints of a diameter of $S^2$. You get a bijection between the quotient of $S^2_+$ and the quotient of $S^2$, because if $p ne q in S^2_+$ then they are identified in the quotient of $S^2_+$ if and only if they are identified in the quotient of $S^2$.



That should give you enough intuition. There are some further formalities that require some topology, to prove that this sequence of maps between quotients is a sequence of homeomorphisms.






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    I'm referring to some universality theorems satisfied by quotient maps, which one can find for example in Munkres "Topology".
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First, notice that in the diagram you provided, if you are given two points $p ne q$ in the square, those two points $p,q$ are identified under the gluing if and only if $p,q$ are endpoints of a "diameter" of the square, meaning that the line segment $overline{pq}$ passes through the center of the square.



Now round out the square to get a round disc $D^2 = {(x,y) mid x^2 + y^2 le 1}$. It's boundary circle is $partial D^2 = {(x,y) mid x^2 + y^2 = 1$. Again the identifications are that two points $p ne q in D^2$ are identified if and only if $overline{pq}$ is a diameter of $D^2$.



Now consider the upper hemisphere of $S^2$, namely
$$S^2_+ = {(x,y,sqrt{1-x^2-y^2}) mid x^2 + y^2 le 1}
$$

The boundary of $S^2_+$ is the equator of $S^2$. Again two points $p ne q in S^2_+$ are identified if and only if $p,q$ endpoints of a diameter of the equator.



Finally, take the union of the upper and lower hemispheres to get the whole sphere $S^2$, where two points $p ne q in S^2$ are identified if and only if they are endpoints of a diameter of $S^2$. You get a bijection between the quotient of $S^2_+$ and the quotient of $S^2$, because if $p ne q in S^2_+$ then they are identified in the quotient of $S^2_+$ if and only if they are identified in the quotient of $S^2$.



That should give you enough intuition. There are some further formalities that require some topology, to prove that this sequence of maps between quotients is a sequence of homeomorphisms.






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    I'm referring to some universality theorems satisfied by quotient maps, which one can find for example in Munkres "Topology".
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$begingroup$

First, notice that in the diagram you provided, if you are given two points $p ne q$ in the square, those two points $p,q$ are identified under the gluing if and only if $p,q$ are endpoints of a "diameter" of the square, meaning that the line segment $overline{pq}$ passes through the center of the square.



Now round out the square to get a round disc $D^2 = {(x,y) mid x^2 + y^2 le 1}$. It's boundary circle is $partial D^2 = {(x,y) mid x^2 + y^2 = 1$. Again the identifications are that two points $p ne q in D^2$ are identified if and only if $overline{pq}$ is a diameter of $D^2$.



Now consider the upper hemisphere of $S^2$, namely
$$S^2_+ = {(x,y,sqrt{1-x^2-y^2}) mid x^2 + y^2 le 1}
$$

The boundary of $S^2_+$ is the equator of $S^2$. Again two points $p ne q in S^2_+$ are identified if and only if $p,q$ endpoints of a diameter of the equator.



Finally, take the union of the upper and lower hemispheres to get the whole sphere $S^2$, where two points $p ne q in S^2$ are identified if and only if they are endpoints of a diameter of $S^2$. You get a bijection between the quotient of $S^2_+$ and the quotient of $S^2$, because if $p ne q in S^2_+$ then they are identified in the quotient of $S^2_+$ if and only if they are identified in the quotient of $S^2$.



That should give you enough intuition. There are some further formalities that require some topology, to prove that this sequence of maps between quotients is a sequence of homeomorphisms.






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    I'm referring to some universality theorems satisfied by quotient maps, which one can find for example in Munkres "Topology".
    $endgroup$
    – Lee Mosher
    Feb 16 at 14:42














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$begingroup$

First, notice that in the diagram you provided, if you are given two points $p ne q$ in the square, those two points $p,q$ are identified under the gluing if and only if $p,q$ are endpoints of a "diameter" of the square, meaning that the line segment $overline{pq}$ passes through the center of the square.



Now round out the square to get a round disc $D^2 = {(x,y) mid x^2 + y^2 le 1}$. It's boundary circle is $partial D^2 = {(x,y) mid x^2 + y^2 = 1$. Again the identifications are that two points $p ne q in D^2$ are identified if and only if $overline{pq}$ is a diameter of $D^2$.



Now consider the upper hemisphere of $S^2$, namely
$$S^2_+ = {(x,y,sqrt{1-x^2-y^2}) mid x^2 + y^2 le 1}
$$

The boundary of $S^2_+$ is the equator of $S^2$. Again two points $p ne q in S^2_+$ are identified if and only if $p,q$ endpoints of a diameter of the equator.



Finally, take the union of the upper and lower hemispheres to get the whole sphere $S^2$, where two points $p ne q in S^2$ are identified if and only if they are endpoints of a diameter of $S^2$. You get a bijection between the quotient of $S^2_+$ and the quotient of $S^2$, because if $p ne q in S^2_+$ then they are identified in the quotient of $S^2_+$ if and only if they are identified in the quotient of $S^2$.



That should give you enough intuition. There are some further formalities that require some topology, to prove that this sequence of maps between quotients is a sequence of homeomorphisms.






share|cite|improve this answer









$endgroup$



First, notice that in the diagram you provided, if you are given two points $p ne q$ in the square, those two points $p,q$ are identified under the gluing if and only if $p,q$ are endpoints of a "diameter" of the square, meaning that the line segment $overline{pq}$ passes through the center of the square.



Now round out the square to get a round disc $D^2 = {(x,y) mid x^2 + y^2 le 1}$. It's boundary circle is $partial D^2 = {(x,y) mid x^2 + y^2 = 1$. Again the identifications are that two points $p ne q in D^2$ are identified if and only if $overline{pq}$ is a diameter of $D^2$.



Now consider the upper hemisphere of $S^2$, namely
$$S^2_+ = {(x,y,sqrt{1-x^2-y^2}) mid x^2 + y^2 le 1}
$$

The boundary of $S^2_+$ is the equator of $S^2$. Again two points $p ne q in S^2_+$ are identified if and only if $p,q$ endpoints of a diameter of the equator.



Finally, take the union of the upper and lower hemispheres to get the whole sphere $S^2$, where two points $p ne q in S^2$ are identified if and only if they are endpoints of a diameter of $S^2$. You get a bijection between the quotient of $S^2_+$ and the quotient of $S^2$, because if $p ne q in S^2_+$ then they are identified in the quotient of $S^2_+$ if and only if they are identified in the quotient of $S^2$.



That should give you enough intuition. There are some further formalities that require some topology, to prove that this sequence of maps between quotients is a sequence of homeomorphisms.







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    I'm referring to some universality theorems satisfied by quotient maps, which one can find for example in Munkres "Topology".
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    Feb 16 at 14:42
















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I'm referring to some universality theorems satisfied by quotient maps, which one can find for example in Munkres "Topology".
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