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Find surface area when this function is rotated around the y-axis. $y = frac{1}{3} x^{frac{3}{2}}$
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I am gonna rotate this function around the y-axis, and I have to find the surface area.
Quick question: the reason we can use either definition (either derivative with respect to x or y) of arc length is because both definitions of arc length give you the... arc length unsurprisingly. We just need the arc length. It feels odd to find the surface area here with respect to dy, but find the arc length using a derivative with respect to x... but it shouldnt right?
Anyway, onto the problem:
$$y = frac{1}{3}x^{frac{3}{2}}$$ when $0 leq x leq 12$
$$frac{dy}{dx} = frac{1}{2} x^{frac{1}{2}}$$
$$frac{dy^2}{dx} = frac{1}{4} x$$
$$SA = 2 pi int_0^{12} x sqrt{1 + frac{1}{4}x} dx$$
But now I'm stuck here...I can't usub? Can I just multiply out converting $x$ to $sqrt{x^2}$?
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I am gonna rotate this function around the y-axis, and I have to find the surface area.
Quick question: the reason we can use either definition (either derivative with respect to x or y) of arc length is because both definitions of arc length give you the... arc length unsurprisingly. We just need the arc length. It feels odd to find the surface area here with respect to dy, but find the arc length using a derivative with respect to x... but it shouldnt right?
Anyway, onto the problem:
$$y = frac{1}{3}x^{frac{3}{2}}$$ when $0 leq x leq 12$
$$frac{dy}{dx} = frac{1}{2} x^{frac{1}{2}}$$
$$frac{dy^2}{dx} = frac{1}{4} x$$
$$SA = 2 pi int_0^{12} x sqrt{1 + frac{1}{4}x} dx$$
But now I'm stuck here...I can't usub? Can I just multiply out converting $x$ to $sqrt{x^2}$?
integration
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Bring the $x$ inside the radical ($xge 0$ here), complete the square, and integrate.
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– rogerl
Mar 21 at 15:57
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Set $x=dfrac{1}{4}cot^2theta$.
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– Paras Khosla
Mar 21 at 16:21
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Mind showing me? I'm a bit lost as to what you mean? Especially the trig sub...
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 18:01
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@rogerl mind showing a bit?
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I am gonna rotate this function around the y-axis, and I have to find the surface area.
Quick question: the reason we can use either definition (either derivative with respect to x or y) of arc length is because both definitions of arc length give you the... arc length unsurprisingly. We just need the arc length. It feels odd to find the surface area here with respect to dy, but find the arc length using a derivative with respect to x... but it shouldnt right?
Anyway, onto the problem:
$$y = frac{1}{3}x^{frac{3}{2}}$$ when $0 leq x leq 12$
$$frac{dy}{dx} = frac{1}{2} x^{frac{1}{2}}$$
$$frac{dy^2}{dx} = frac{1}{4} x$$
$$SA = 2 pi int_0^{12} x sqrt{1 + frac{1}{4}x} dx$$
But now I'm stuck here...I can't usub? Can I just multiply out converting $x$ to $sqrt{x^2}$?
integration
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I am gonna rotate this function around the y-axis, and I have to find the surface area.
Quick question: the reason we can use either definition (either derivative with respect to x or y) of arc length is because both definitions of arc length give you the... arc length unsurprisingly. We just need the arc length. It feels odd to find the surface area here with respect to dy, but find the arc length using a derivative with respect to x... but it shouldnt right?
Anyway, onto the problem:
$$y = frac{1}{3}x^{frac{3}{2}}$$ when $0 leq x leq 12$
$$frac{dy}{dx} = frac{1}{2} x^{frac{1}{2}}$$
$$frac{dy^2}{dx} = frac{1}{4} x$$
$$SA = 2 pi int_0^{12} x sqrt{1 + frac{1}{4}x} dx$$
But now I'm stuck here...I can't usub? Can I just multiply out converting $x$ to $sqrt{x^2}$?
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Bring the $x$ inside the radical ($xge 0$ here), complete the square, and integrate.
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– rogerl
Mar 21 at 15:57
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Set $x=dfrac{1}{4}cot^2theta$.
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– Paras Khosla
Mar 21 at 16:21
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Mind showing me? I'm a bit lost as to what you mean? Especially the trig sub...
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 18:01
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@rogerl mind showing a bit?
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– Kitty Capital
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Bring the $x$ inside the radical ($xge 0$ here), complete the square, and integrate.
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– rogerl
Mar 21 at 15:57
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Set $x=dfrac{1}{4}cot^2theta$.
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– Paras Khosla
Mar 21 at 16:21
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Mind showing me? I'm a bit lost as to what you mean? Especially the trig sub...
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 18:01
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@rogerl mind showing a bit?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 19:16
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Bring the $x$ inside the radical ($xge 0$ here), complete the square, and integrate.
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– rogerl
Mar 21 at 15:57
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Bring the $x$ inside the radical ($xge 0$ here), complete the square, and integrate.
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– rogerl
Mar 21 at 15:57
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Set $x=dfrac{1}{4}cot^2theta$.
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– Paras Khosla
Mar 21 at 16:21
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Set $x=dfrac{1}{4}cot^2theta$.
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– Paras Khosla
Mar 21 at 16:21
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Mind showing me? I'm a bit lost as to what you mean? Especially the trig sub...
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 18:01
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Mind showing me? I'm a bit lost as to what you mean? Especially the trig sub...
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 18:01
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@rogerl mind showing a bit?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 19:16
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@rogerl mind showing a bit?
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– Kitty Capital
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$$text{Let }begin{bmatrix}x \ mathrm dxend{bmatrix}=begin{bmatrix}1/4cdotcot^2theta\ -1/2cdot cotthetacsc^2thetamathrm dthetaend{bmatrix}$$
$$begin{aligned}int xsqrt{1+dfrac{1}{4x}}mathrm dx&=-dfrac{1}{8}intcot^2theta sectheta cotthetacsc^2thetamathrm dtheta\&=-dfrac{1}{8}intdfrac{cos^2theta}{sin^2theta}cdotdfrac{1}{costheta}cdotdfrac{costheta}{sintheta}cdotdfrac{1}{sin^2theta}mathrm dtheta\ &=-dfrac{1}{8}intcot^2thetacsc^2thetamathrm dthetaend{aligned}$$
Now simply let $u=cotthetaimplies mathrm du=-csc^2thetamathrm dtheta$. Can you proceed?
Post OP's edit
$$begin{aligned}int xsqrt{1+dfrac{1}{4}x}mathrm dx&=dfrac{1}{2}int xsqrt{x+4}mathrm dxend{aligned}$$
Let $u=x+4iff x=u-4implies mathrm du=mathrm dx$
$$begin{aligned}dfrac{1}{2}int xsqrt{x+4}mathrm dx&=dfrac{1}{2}int sqrt{u}(u-4)mathrm du\&=dfrac{1}{2}int left(u^{3/2}-4sqrt{u}right)mathrm duend{aligned}$$
Can you proceed?
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I think the 1/4x is wrong... I made a mistake, the x should not be in the denominator?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 19:11
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Either way... where did the sec ceom from?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 19:12
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That is because $1+tan^2theta=sec^2theta$.
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– Paras Khosla
Mar 21 at 19:23
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Ohhh.. This is a pretty innovative approach. Do you see how to complete the square? I'd like to see that approach but got stuck as well. Any idea?
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– Kitty Capital
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You're right. With substitution.
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Hint: Use integration by parts. We have $int xsqrt{1+frac14 x}operatorname {dx}=x(frac83)(1+frac14 x)^{frac32} -(frac83) int (1+frac14 x)^{frac32}operatorname {dx}$.
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Where did the 8/3 come from?
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– Kitty Capital
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To correct for the $frac32$ and $frac14 $ when you differentiate.
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$$text{Let }begin{bmatrix}x \ mathrm dxend{bmatrix}=begin{bmatrix}1/4cdotcot^2theta\ -1/2cdot cotthetacsc^2thetamathrm dthetaend{bmatrix}$$
$$begin{aligned}int xsqrt{1+dfrac{1}{4x}}mathrm dx&=-dfrac{1}{8}intcot^2theta sectheta cotthetacsc^2thetamathrm dtheta\&=-dfrac{1}{8}intdfrac{cos^2theta}{sin^2theta}cdotdfrac{1}{costheta}cdotdfrac{costheta}{sintheta}cdotdfrac{1}{sin^2theta}mathrm dtheta\ &=-dfrac{1}{8}intcot^2thetacsc^2thetamathrm dthetaend{aligned}$$
Now simply let $u=cotthetaimplies mathrm du=-csc^2thetamathrm dtheta$. Can you proceed?
Post OP's edit
$$begin{aligned}int xsqrt{1+dfrac{1}{4}x}mathrm dx&=dfrac{1}{2}int xsqrt{x+4}mathrm dxend{aligned}$$
Let $u=x+4iff x=u-4implies mathrm du=mathrm dx$
$$begin{aligned}dfrac{1}{2}int xsqrt{x+4}mathrm dx&=dfrac{1}{2}int sqrt{u}(u-4)mathrm du\&=dfrac{1}{2}int left(u^{3/2}-4sqrt{u}right)mathrm duend{aligned}$$
Can you proceed?
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I think the 1/4x is wrong... I made a mistake, the x should not be in the denominator?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 19:11
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Either way... where did the sec ceom from?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 19:12
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That is because $1+tan^2theta=sec^2theta$.
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– Paras Khosla
Mar 21 at 19:23
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Ohhh.. This is a pretty innovative approach. Do you see how to complete the square? I'd like to see that approach but got stuck as well. Any idea?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 21:20
1
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You're right. With substitution.
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– Chris Custer
Mar 22 at 13:38
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$$text{Let }begin{bmatrix}x \ mathrm dxend{bmatrix}=begin{bmatrix}1/4cdotcot^2theta\ -1/2cdot cotthetacsc^2thetamathrm dthetaend{bmatrix}$$
$$begin{aligned}int xsqrt{1+dfrac{1}{4x}}mathrm dx&=-dfrac{1}{8}intcot^2theta sectheta cotthetacsc^2thetamathrm dtheta\&=-dfrac{1}{8}intdfrac{cos^2theta}{sin^2theta}cdotdfrac{1}{costheta}cdotdfrac{costheta}{sintheta}cdotdfrac{1}{sin^2theta}mathrm dtheta\ &=-dfrac{1}{8}intcot^2thetacsc^2thetamathrm dthetaend{aligned}$$
Now simply let $u=cotthetaimplies mathrm du=-csc^2thetamathrm dtheta$. Can you proceed?
Post OP's edit
$$begin{aligned}int xsqrt{1+dfrac{1}{4}x}mathrm dx&=dfrac{1}{2}int xsqrt{x+4}mathrm dxend{aligned}$$
Let $u=x+4iff x=u-4implies mathrm du=mathrm dx$
$$begin{aligned}dfrac{1}{2}int xsqrt{x+4}mathrm dx&=dfrac{1}{2}int sqrt{u}(u-4)mathrm du\&=dfrac{1}{2}int left(u^{3/2}-4sqrt{u}right)mathrm duend{aligned}$$
Can you proceed?
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I think the 1/4x is wrong... I made a mistake, the x should not be in the denominator?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 19:11
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Either way... where did the sec ceom from?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 19:12
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That is because $1+tan^2theta=sec^2theta$.
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– Paras Khosla
Mar 21 at 19:23
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Ohhh.. This is a pretty innovative approach. Do you see how to complete the square? I'd like to see that approach but got stuck as well. Any idea?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 21:20
1
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You're right. With substitution.
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– Chris Custer
Mar 22 at 13:38
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show 8 more comments
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$$text{Let }begin{bmatrix}x \ mathrm dxend{bmatrix}=begin{bmatrix}1/4cdotcot^2theta\ -1/2cdot cotthetacsc^2thetamathrm dthetaend{bmatrix}$$
$$begin{aligned}int xsqrt{1+dfrac{1}{4x}}mathrm dx&=-dfrac{1}{8}intcot^2theta sectheta cotthetacsc^2thetamathrm dtheta\&=-dfrac{1}{8}intdfrac{cos^2theta}{sin^2theta}cdotdfrac{1}{costheta}cdotdfrac{costheta}{sintheta}cdotdfrac{1}{sin^2theta}mathrm dtheta\ &=-dfrac{1}{8}intcot^2thetacsc^2thetamathrm dthetaend{aligned}$$
Now simply let $u=cotthetaimplies mathrm du=-csc^2thetamathrm dtheta$. Can you proceed?
Post OP's edit
$$begin{aligned}int xsqrt{1+dfrac{1}{4}x}mathrm dx&=dfrac{1}{2}int xsqrt{x+4}mathrm dxend{aligned}$$
Let $u=x+4iff x=u-4implies mathrm du=mathrm dx$
$$begin{aligned}dfrac{1}{2}int xsqrt{x+4}mathrm dx&=dfrac{1}{2}int sqrt{u}(u-4)mathrm du\&=dfrac{1}{2}int left(u^{3/2}-4sqrt{u}right)mathrm duend{aligned}$$
Can you proceed?
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$$text{Let }begin{bmatrix}x \ mathrm dxend{bmatrix}=begin{bmatrix}1/4cdotcot^2theta\ -1/2cdot cotthetacsc^2thetamathrm dthetaend{bmatrix}$$
$$begin{aligned}int xsqrt{1+dfrac{1}{4x}}mathrm dx&=-dfrac{1}{8}intcot^2theta sectheta cotthetacsc^2thetamathrm dtheta\&=-dfrac{1}{8}intdfrac{cos^2theta}{sin^2theta}cdotdfrac{1}{costheta}cdotdfrac{costheta}{sintheta}cdotdfrac{1}{sin^2theta}mathrm dtheta\ &=-dfrac{1}{8}intcot^2thetacsc^2thetamathrm dthetaend{aligned}$$
Now simply let $u=cotthetaimplies mathrm du=-csc^2thetamathrm dtheta$. Can you proceed?
Post OP's edit
$$begin{aligned}int xsqrt{1+dfrac{1}{4}x}mathrm dx&=dfrac{1}{2}int xsqrt{x+4}mathrm dxend{aligned}$$
Let $u=x+4iff x=u-4implies mathrm du=mathrm dx$
$$begin{aligned}dfrac{1}{2}int xsqrt{x+4}mathrm dx&=dfrac{1}{2}int sqrt{u}(u-4)mathrm du\&=dfrac{1}{2}int left(u^{3/2}-4sqrt{u}right)mathrm duend{aligned}$$
Can you proceed?
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answered Mar 21 at 18:29
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I think the 1/4x is wrong... I made a mistake, the x should not be in the denominator?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 19:11
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Either way... where did the sec ceom from?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 19:12
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That is because $1+tan^2theta=sec^2theta$.
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– Paras Khosla
Mar 21 at 19:23
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Ohhh.. This is a pretty innovative approach. Do you see how to complete the square? I'd like to see that approach but got stuck as well. Any idea?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 21:20
1
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You're right. With substitution.
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– Chris Custer
Mar 22 at 13:38
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show 8 more comments
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I think the 1/4x is wrong... I made a mistake, the x should not be in the denominator?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 19:11
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Either way... where did the sec ceom from?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 19:12
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That is because $1+tan^2theta=sec^2theta$.
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– Paras Khosla
Mar 21 at 19:23
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Ohhh.. This is a pretty innovative approach. Do you see how to complete the square? I'd like to see that approach but got stuck as well. Any idea?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 21:20
1
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You're right. With substitution.
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– Chris Custer
Mar 22 at 13:38
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I think the 1/4x is wrong... I made a mistake, the x should not be in the denominator?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 19:11
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I think the 1/4x is wrong... I made a mistake, the x should not be in the denominator?
$endgroup$
– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 19:11
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Either way... where did the sec ceom from?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 19:12
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Either way... where did the sec ceom from?
$endgroup$
– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 19:12
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That is because $1+tan^2theta=sec^2theta$.
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– Paras Khosla
Mar 21 at 19:23
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That is because $1+tan^2theta=sec^2theta$.
$endgroup$
– Paras Khosla
Mar 21 at 19:23
$begingroup$
Ohhh.. This is a pretty innovative approach. Do you see how to complete the square? I'd like to see that approach but got stuck as well. Any idea?
$endgroup$
– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 21:20
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Ohhh.. This is a pretty innovative approach. Do you see how to complete the square? I'd like to see that approach but got stuck as well. Any idea?
$endgroup$
– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 21:20
1
1
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You're right. With substitution.
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– Chris Custer
Mar 22 at 13:38
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You're right. With substitution.
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– Chris Custer
Mar 22 at 13:38
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Hint: Use integration by parts. We have $int xsqrt{1+frac14 x}operatorname {dx}=x(frac83)(1+frac14 x)^{frac32} -(frac83) int (1+frac14 x)^{frac32}operatorname {dx}$.
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Where did the 8/3 come from?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 22 at 13:59
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To correct for the $frac32$ and $frac14 $ when you differentiate.
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– Chris Custer
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Hint: Use integration by parts. We have $int xsqrt{1+frac14 x}operatorname {dx}=x(frac83)(1+frac14 x)^{frac32} -(frac83) int (1+frac14 x)^{frac32}operatorname {dx}$.
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Where did the 8/3 come from?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 22 at 13:59
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To correct for the $frac32$ and $frac14 $ when you differentiate.
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– Chris Custer
Mar 22 at 14:02
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Hint: Use integration by parts. We have $int xsqrt{1+frac14 x}operatorname {dx}=x(frac83)(1+frac14 x)^{frac32} -(frac83) int (1+frac14 x)^{frac32}operatorname {dx}$.
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Hint: Use integration by parts. We have $int xsqrt{1+frac14 x}operatorname {dx}=x(frac83)(1+frac14 x)^{frac32} -(frac83) int (1+frac14 x)^{frac32}operatorname {dx}$.
answered Mar 22 at 13:35
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Where did the 8/3 come from?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 22 at 13:59
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To correct for the $frac32$ and $frac14 $ when you differentiate.
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– Chris Custer
Mar 22 at 14:02
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Where did the 8/3 come from?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 22 at 13:59
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To correct for the $frac32$ and $frac14 $ when you differentiate.
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– Chris Custer
Mar 22 at 14:02
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Where did the 8/3 come from?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 22 at 13:59
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Where did the 8/3 come from?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 22 at 13:59
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To correct for the $frac32$ and $frac14 $ when you differentiate.
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– Chris Custer
Mar 22 at 14:02
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To correct for the $frac32$ and $frac14 $ when you differentiate.
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– Chris Custer
Mar 22 at 14:02
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Bring the $x$ inside the radical ($xge 0$ here), complete the square, and integrate.
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– rogerl
Mar 21 at 15:57
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Set $x=dfrac{1}{4}cot^2theta$.
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– Paras Khosla
Mar 21 at 16:21
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Mind showing me? I'm a bit lost as to what you mean? Especially the trig sub...
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 18:01
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@rogerl mind showing a bit?
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– Kitty Capital
Mar 21 at 19:16