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I reported the illegal activity of my boss to his boss. My boss found out. Now I am being punished. What should I do?


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My direct supervisor has repeatedly performed actions that go against conduct of the company and of the state laws. I brought this to the attention of his boss in hopes of covering for myself when and if he eventually gets caught.



My direct supervisor's boss proceeded to tell my direct supervisor, and by extension the rest of the department, everything I had said.



I am being greeted with nothing but negativity and am being treated unfairly (have more tasks assigned to me that I can handle, negative repercussions for not completing these large requests, etc.)



What, if anything, am I able to do in this situation? I'd rather not leave because I have nothing to fall back on at the moment. I have tried contacting HR, but I need to have an appointment set up through the boss because the HR department does not have a location in our building. They only respond by appointment.



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My direct supervisor has repeatedly performed actions that go against conduct of the company and of the state laws. I brought this to the attention of his boss in hopes of covering for myself when and if he eventually gets caught.



My direct supervisor's boss proceeded to tell my direct supervisor, and by extension the rest of the department, everything I had said.



I am being greeted with nothing but negativity and am being treated unfairly (have more tasks assigned to me that I can handle, negative repercussions for not completing these large requests, etc.)



What, if anything, am I able to do in this situation? I'd rather not leave because I have nothing to fall back on at the moment. I have tried contacting HR, but I need to have an appointment set up through the boss because the HR department does not have a location in our building. They only respond by appointment.



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My direct supervisor has repeatedly performed actions that go against conduct of the company and of the state laws. I brought this to the attention of his boss in hopes of covering for myself when and if he eventually gets caught.



My direct supervisor's boss proceeded to tell my direct supervisor, and by extension the rest of the department, everything I had said.



I am being greeted with nothing but negativity and am being treated unfairly (have more tasks assigned to me that I can handle, negative repercussions for not completing these large requests, etc.)



What, if anything, am I able to do in this situation? I'd rather not leave because I have nothing to fall back on at the moment. I have tried contacting HR, but I need to have an appointment set up through the boss because the HR department does not have a location in our building. They only respond by appointment.



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My direct supervisor has repeatedly performed actions that go against conduct of the company and of the state laws. I brought this to the attention of his boss in hopes of covering for myself when and if he eventually gets caught.



My direct supervisor's boss proceeded to tell my direct supervisor, and by extension the rest of the department, everything I had said.



I am being greeted with nothing but negativity and am being treated unfairly (have more tasks assigned to me that I can handle, negative repercussions for not completing these large requests, etc.)



What, if anything, am I able to do in this situation? I'd rather not leave because I have nothing to fall back on at the moment. I have tried contacting HR, but I need to have an appointment set up through the boss because the HR department does not have a location in our building. They only respond by appointment.



I live in the United States. More specifically the commonwealth of Pennsylvania.







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You've witnessed something illegal. By law, you are most likely required to report it to a federal agency, not your supervisor's boss. In other words, having told the boss, you haven't actually done anything to protect yourself legally. In fact, you may be considered complicit.



The simplest solution is to forget about getting along with these folks, and find a new job.



However, you could also contact a lawyer, outline the situation, and probably take them to court. There's two reasons for this:




  1. The discrimination you're facing is likely illegal in pretty much any western country you care to name. Some companies end up having to pay out a lot of money for that sort of behavior.


  2. You have no idea how your supervisor - or his boss - may react to the fact that you have knowledge of their illegal operations. It may sound a little paranoid, but they could conceivably try to pin some sort of blame on you. Speaking to a lawyer about your liability in this situation should be the bare minimum you do whether you take them to court or not.



If you do decide to speak to a lawyer (which I strongly recommend), then don't give your employers any hint of it, and don't quit before you do. You may be advised by the lawyer to gather evidence in your defense, etc.






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Something to think about: do you have any reason to believe the boss isn't also doing illegal things?



That's the reason that these answers are not paranoid, and you really really need to talk to a lawyer, or at the very least, an actual whistleblower organization. Because if the boss was "in on it" and doing illegal things alongside your supervisor, you've put yourself in a downright terrible position. Because both of them:




  • Know you're willing to be a whistleblower

  • Know you're trying to whistleblow on crimes they'd be punished for

  • Are willing to do shady/illegal things


... you can bet quite a bit of money that, unless you take some urgent action, that this isn't going to go well. "Framed" sounds so melodramatic, but you can certainly bet that, even if you leave, they'll be floating things like, "Yeah, John Smith? Left a few months back. Terrible employee... and we suspect that he may have been XYZ'ing. Couldn't prove it, but let's just say we're glad he left." Worst case, they simply call the cops and accuse you of XYZ, and provide "evidence" of your crime.



Seriously, at least give a call to the Department of Labor or send them an email.






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    Given that you are in Pennsylvania, this situation may be covered by the Pennsylvania Whistleblowers Act, which says in part:




    “No employer may discharge, threaten or otherwise discriminate or retaliate against an employee regarding the employee’s compensation, terms, conditions, location or privileges of employment because the employee or a person acting on behalf of the employee makes a good faith report or is about to report, verbally or in writing, to the employer or appropriate authority an instance of wrongdoing or waste.” 43 P.S. §1423(a).




    Numerous Federal laws also contain whistleblower protection clauses, normally related to the specific focus of the law. (For example, the Clean Air Act includes protection for whistleblowers who report violations of that act, but these protections do not extend to other reported violations.)



    Many companies also have clauses in their employment handbooks and policies regarding treatment or protection for whistleblowers, as well as investigation of reported issues. For example, my company maintains a Code of Conduct and Ethics that includes clear protection for whistleblowers. Contacting my manager, the HR department, Compliance/Legal, or anonymously calling the Compliance line are all valid avenues to report an issue. This policy also clearly states that the issue will be investigated in confidence (not spread around to other, uninvolved employees) and with zero tolerance for retaliation.



    A lawyer familiar with Pennsylvania employment law would be a great help to you, particularly to determine whether this constitutes a violation of Pennsylvania or federal law. However, also check your employment documents to see if they have similar protections, possibly with a compliance department or anonymous reporting line.






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    Get out ASAP, you are marked. Get out and get out now. Document everything they do, everything you do, and see a lawyer as soon as possible. They are aware that their illegal activities have been spotted, and you are a convenient scapegoat. Get all of your evidence to that lawyer, and do as he advises. Failing to do so could possibly make you an accessory after the fact to any illegal activities.



    IANAL, which is why I am advising you to see one ASAP



    In the future, GO TO A LAWYER FIRST, ALWAYS if you see any illegal activity.



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    Firstly, the accepted answer is wrong about whistleblowing.



    Spotting illegal things and reporting it within the company is more than reasonable as it allows the company to attempt to resolve the situation before courts get involved. Most companies would prefer you whistle blow internally rather than externally as it gives them a chance to do something about it.



    Whistleblowing is protected by law. It is illegal for them to treat you unfairly because of this action.



    Your actions up to this point have been within your rights and MOST companies would not complain about your actions so far. If the company believed that your call was wrong and that the actions were legal, then the correct thing to do would be to just let the issue be and ignore you.





    You are now in the position though, that your job is at risk, and the law isn't something that these people care about. The first thing to do is to discuss with a lawyer or citizens advice bureau what your next step will be. Collect evidence NOW of any unfair treatment that happens to you because of this event.






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      If the illegal activity has to do with money laundering in the UK you could actually get into a lot of trouble by "reporting it internally" because if you tip off the perpetrators you are considered complicit

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    • @CaptainMan indeed - it's not strictly internal. I leave you to read the link I posted that states "You can tell your employer" ... "If you tell a prescribed person or body, it must be one that deals with the issue you’re raising" that prescribed body can be internal or external

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      @UKMonkey I'm referring to this sentence, "Most companies would prefer you whistle blow rather than report directly to police" which gives the impression that whistle blowing is not going to the police.

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    Just polish your CV and get the hell out. You did the right thing by not accepting to engage in illegal actions. Document every impossible task and everything you do. Make a copy of everything and watch your back until you don't find a new employment.






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      It’s generally reasonable for boss-squared to discuss issues with your boss. But given some criminal contexts in play, it might not be reasonable in this case.



      IANAL I’d first suggest you look into your state’s whistleblower laws and reporting requirements. It could be the case that just knowing laws are getting broken and not reporting them could bring you down as well.



      Next, document. Attempt to contact HR. It sounds as though it may fall on deaf ears, but document that you attempted to alert the “internal authorities”. If required by law to report it, you should very likely do so, regardless of in-company consequences. I doubt any whistleblower protection will cause this to be a place you feel comfortable staying in long term, but might at least give you recourse for compensation if you have to be unemployed.



      As far as in office, I suspect you need to leave at earliest option. Lay as low as you can until you can, but there are a host of red flags here.




      • Ignoring regulations;

      • Boss-squared airing a sensitive issue to a broad audience;

      • Trivializing a serious complaint;

      • Human Resources inaccessibility to the human resources.


      MAYBE boss-squared realizes he’s erred but it sounds like your boss now has reason to be wary of you and his boss supports him.






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        Ask yourself whether you want to work for psychopaths. Good luck finding a good employer.






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          You've witnessed something illegal. By law, you are most likely required to report it to a federal agency, not your supervisor's boss. In other words, having told the boss, you haven't actually done anything to protect yourself legally. In fact, you may be considered complicit.



          The simplest solution is to forget about getting along with these folks, and find a new job.



          However, you could also contact a lawyer, outline the situation, and probably take them to court. There's two reasons for this:




          1. The discrimination you're facing is likely illegal in pretty much any western country you care to name. Some companies end up having to pay out a lot of money for that sort of behavior.


          2. You have no idea how your supervisor - or his boss - may react to the fact that you have knowledge of their illegal operations. It may sound a little paranoid, but they could conceivably try to pin some sort of blame on you. Speaking to a lawyer about your liability in this situation should be the bare minimum you do whether you take them to court or not.



          If you do decide to speak to a lawyer (which I strongly recommend), then don't give your employers any hint of it, and don't quit before you do. You may be advised by the lawyer to gather evidence in your defense, etc.






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          You've witnessed something illegal. By law, you are most likely required to report it to a federal agency, not your supervisor's boss. In other words, having told the boss, you haven't actually done anything to protect yourself legally. In fact, you may be considered complicit.



          The simplest solution is to forget about getting along with these folks, and find a new job.



          However, you could also contact a lawyer, outline the situation, and probably take them to court. There's two reasons for this:




          1. The discrimination you're facing is likely illegal in pretty much any western country you care to name. Some companies end up having to pay out a lot of money for that sort of behavior.


          2. You have no idea how your supervisor - or his boss - may react to the fact that you have knowledge of their illegal operations. It may sound a little paranoid, but they could conceivably try to pin some sort of blame on you. Speaking to a lawyer about your liability in this situation should be the bare minimum you do whether you take them to court or not.



          If you do decide to speak to a lawyer (which I strongly recommend), then don't give your employers any hint of it, and don't quit before you do. You may be advised by the lawyer to gather evidence in your defense, etc.






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            "Discrimination" in your point #1 may not be the best word here. Since this is in response to the OP reporting a problem in good faith, retaliation may be more appropriate.

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            Yes always talk to a lawyer before going to law enforcement. In the US anything you say can and will be used against you

            – Doug T.
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          • "However, you could also contact a lawyer, outline the situation, and probably take them to court." In theory, yes. In practice that isn't so easy and the road that follows is long and narrow. In the meantime, you still got to do something to survive and that's easier said than done.

            – Mast
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            "However, you could also contact a lawyer, outline the situation, and probably take them to court." I would rephrase to something like "you should also contact a lawyer", for the reasons you outline immediately below.

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          You've witnessed something illegal. By law, you are most likely required to report it to a federal agency, not your supervisor's boss. In other words, having told the boss, you haven't actually done anything to protect yourself legally. In fact, you may be considered complicit.



          The simplest solution is to forget about getting along with these folks, and find a new job.



          However, you could also contact a lawyer, outline the situation, and probably take them to court. There's two reasons for this:




          1. The discrimination you're facing is likely illegal in pretty much any western country you care to name. Some companies end up having to pay out a lot of money for that sort of behavior.


          2. You have no idea how your supervisor - or his boss - may react to the fact that you have knowledge of their illegal operations. It may sound a little paranoid, but they could conceivably try to pin some sort of blame on you. Speaking to a lawyer about your liability in this situation should be the bare minimum you do whether you take them to court or not.



          If you do decide to speak to a lawyer (which I strongly recommend), then don't give your employers any hint of it, and don't quit before you do. You may be advised by the lawyer to gather evidence in your defense, etc.






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          You've witnessed something illegal. By law, you are most likely required to report it to a federal agency, not your supervisor's boss. In other words, having told the boss, you haven't actually done anything to protect yourself legally. In fact, you may be considered complicit.



          The simplest solution is to forget about getting along with these folks, and find a new job.



          However, you could also contact a lawyer, outline the situation, and probably take them to court. There's two reasons for this:




          1. The discrimination you're facing is likely illegal in pretty much any western country you care to name. Some companies end up having to pay out a lot of money for that sort of behavior.


          2. You have no idea how your supervisor - or his boss - may react to the fact that you have knowledge of their illegal operations. It may sound a little paranoid, but they could conceivably try to pin some sort of blame on you. Speaking to a lawyer about your liability in this situation should be the bare minimum you do whether you take them to court or not.



          If you do decide to speak to a lawyer (which I strongly recommend), then don't give your employers any hint of it, and don't quit before you do. You may be advised by the lawyer to gather evidence in your defense, etc.







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            "Discrimination" in your point #1 may not be the best word here. Since this is in response to the OP reporting a problem in good faith, retaliation may be more appropriate.

            – bta
            2 days ago








          • 3





            Yes always talk to a lawyer before going to law enforcement. In the US anything you say can and will be used against you

            – Doug T.
            2 days ago











          • "However, you could also contact a lawyer, outline the situation, and probably take them to court." In theory, yes. In practice that isn't so easy and the road that follows is long and narrow. In the meantime, you still got to do something to survive and that's easier said than done.

            – Mast
            yesterday






          • 1





            "However, you could also contact a lawyer, outline the situation, and probably take them to court." I would rephrase to something like "you should also contact a lawyer", for the reasons you outline immediately below.

            – Wowfunhappy
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          • Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.

            – Mister Positive
            2 days ago






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            "Discrimination" in your point #1 may not be the best word here. Since this is in response to the OP reporting a problem in good faith, retaliation may be more appropriate.

            – bta
            2 days ago








          • 3





            Yes always talk to a lawyer before going to law enforcement. In the US anything you say can and will be used against you

            – Doug T.
            2 days ago











          • "However, you could also contact a lawyer, outline the situation, and probably take them to court." In theory, yes. In practice that isn't so easy and the road that follows is long and narrow. In the meantime, you still got to do something to survive and that's easier said than done.

            – Mast
            yesterday






          • 1





            "However, you could also contact a lawyer, outline the situation, and probably take them to court." I would rephrase to something like "you should also contact a lawyer", for the reasons you outline immediately below.

            – Wowfunhappy
            yesterday

















          Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.

          – Mister Positive
          2 days ago





          Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.

          – Mister Positive
          2 days ago




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          83





          "Discrimination" in your point #1 may not be the best word here. Since this is in response to the OP reporting a problem in good faith, retaliation may be more appropriate.

          – bta
          2 days ago







          "Discrimination" in your point #1 may not be the best word here. Since this is in response to the OP reporting a problem in good faith, retaliation may be more appropriate.

          – bta
          2 days ago






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          Yes always talk to a lawyer before going to law enforcement. In the US anything you say can and will be used against you

          – Doug T.
          2 days ago





          Yes always talk to a lawyer before going to law enforcement. In the US anything you say can and will be used against you

          – Doug T.
          2 days ago













          "However, you could also contact a lawyer, outline the situation, and probably take them to court." In theory, yes. In practice that isn't so easy and the road that follows is long and narrow. In the meantime, you still got to do something to survive and that's easier said than done.

          – Mast
          yesterday





          "However, you could also contact a lawyer, outline the situation, and probably take them to court." In theory, yes. In practice that isn't so easy and the road that follows is long and narrow. In the meantime, you still got to do something to survive and that's easier said than done.

          – Mast
          yesterday




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          "However, you could also contact a lawyer, outline the situation, and probably take them to court." I would rephrase to something like "you should also contact a lawyer", for the reasons you outline immediately below.

          – Wowfunhappy
          yesterday





          "However, you could also contact a lawyer, outline the situation, and probably take them to court." I would rephrase to something like "you should also contact a lawyer", for the reasons you outline immediately below.

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          Something to think about: do you have any reason to believe the boss isn't also doing illegal things?



          That's the reason that these answers are not paranoid, and you really really need to talk to a lawyer, or at the very least, an actual whistleblower organization. Because if the boss was "in on it" and doing illegal things alongside your supervisor, you've put yourself in a downright terrible position. Because both of them:




          • Know you're willing to be a whistleblower

          • Know you're trying to whistleblow on crimes they'd be punished for

          • Are willing to do shady/illegal things


          ... you can bet quite a bit of money that, unless you take some urgent action, that this isn't going to go well. "Framed" sounds so melodramatic, but you can certainly bet that, even if you leave, they'll be floating things like, "Yeah, John Smith? Left a few months back. Terrible employee... and we suspect that he may have been XYZ'ing. Couldn't prove it, but let's just say we're glad he left." Worst case, they simply call the cops and accuse you of XYZ, and provide "evidence" of your crime.



          Seriously, at least give a call to the Department of Labor or send them an email.






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            Something to think about: do you have any reason to believe the boss isn't also doing illegal things?



            That's the reason that these answers are not paranoid, and you really really need to talk to a lawyer, or at the very least, an actual whistleblower organization. Because if the boss was "in on it" and doing illegal things alongside your supervisor, you've put yourself in a downright terrible position. Because both of them:




            • Know you're willing to be a whistleblower

            • Know you're trying to whistleblow on crimes they'd be punished for

            • Are willing to do shady/illegal things


            ... you can bet quite a bit of money that, unless you take some urgent action, that this isn't going to go well. "Framed" sounds so melodramatic, but you can certainly bet that, even if you leave, they'll be floating things like, "Yeah, John Smith? Left a few months back. Terrible employee... and we suspect that he may have been XYZ'ing. Couldn't prove it, but let's just say we're glad he left." Worst case, they simply call the cops and accuse you of XYZ, and provide "evidence" of your crime.



            Seriously, at least give a call to the Department of Labor or send them an email.






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              59







              Something to think about: do you have any reason to believe the boss isn't also doing illegal things?



              That's the reason that these answers are not paranoid, and you really really need to talk to a lawyer, or at the very least, an actual whistleblower organization. Because if the boss was "in on it" and doing illegal things alongside your supervisor, you've put yourself in a downright terrible position. Because both of them:




              • Know you're willing to be a whistleblower

              • Know you're trying to whistleblow on crimes they'd be punished for

              • Are willing to do shady/illegal things


              ... you can bet quite a bit of money that, unless you take some urgent action, that this isn't going to go well. "Framed" sounds so melodramatic, but you can certainly bet that, even if you leave, they'll be floating things like, "Yeah, John Smith? Left a few months back. Terrible employee... and we suspect that he may have been XYZ'ing. Couldn't prove it, but let's just say we're glad he left." Worst case, they simply call the cops and accuse you of XYZ, and provide "evidence" of your crime.



              Seriously, at least give a call to the Department of Labor or send them an email.






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              Something to think about: do you have any reason to believe the boss isn't also doing illegal things?



              That's the reason that these answers are not paranoid, and you really really need to talk to a lawyer, or at the very least, an actual whistleblower organization. Because if the boss was "in on it" and doing illegal things alongside your supervisor, you've put yourself in a downright terrible position. Because both of them:




              • Know you're willing to be a whistleblower

              • Know you're trying to whistleblow on crimes they'd be punished for

              • Are willing to do shady/illegal things


              ... you can bet quite a bit of money that, unless you take some urgent action, that this isn't going to go well. "Framed" sounds so melodramatic, but you can certainly bet that, even if you leave, they'll be floating things like, "Yeah, John Smith? Left a few months back. Terrible employee... and we suspect that he may have been XYZ'ing. Couldn't prove it, but let's just say we're glad he left." Worst case, they simply call the cops and accuse you of XYZ, and provide "evidence" of your crime.



              Seriously, at least give a call to the Department of Labor or send them an email.







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                  Given that you are in Pennsylvania, this situation may be covered by the Pennsylvania Whistleblowers Act, which says in part:




                  “No employer may discharge, threaten or otherwise discriminate or retaliate against an employee regarding the employee’s compensation, terms, conditions, location or privileges of employment because the employee or a person acting on behalf of the employee makes a good faith report or is about to report, verbally or in writing, to the employer or appropriate authority an instance of wrongdoing or waste.” 43 P.S. §1423(a).




                  Numerous Federal laws also contain whistleblower protection clauses, normally related to the specific focus of the law. (For example, the Clean Air Act includes protection for whistleblowers who report violations of that act, but these protections do not extend to other reported violations.)



                  Many companies also have clauses in their employment handbooks and policies regarding treatment or protection for whistleblowers, as well as investigation of reported issues. For example, my company maintains a Code of Conduct and Ethics that includes clear protection for whistleblowers. Contacting my manager, the HR department, Compliance/Legal, or anonymously calling the Compliance line are all valid avenues to report an issue. This policy also clearly states that the issue will be investigated in confidence (not spread around to other, uninvolved employees) and with zero tolerance for retaliation.



                  A lawyer familiar with Pennsylvania employment law would be a great help to you, particularly to determine whether this constitutes a violation of Pennsylvania or federal law. However, also check your employment documents to see if they have similar protections, possibly with a compliance department or anonymous reporting line.






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                    The federal Department of Labor has a long list of federal statutes that protect whistleblowers in various scenarios here: whistleblowers.gov/statutes

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                  Given that you are in Pennsylvania, this situation may be covered by the Pennsylvania Whistleblowers Act, which says in part:




                  “No employer may discharge, threaten or otherwise discriminate or retaliate against an employee regarding the employee’s compensation, terms, conditions, location or privileges of employment because the employee or a person acting on behalf of the employee makes a good faith report or is about to report, verbally or in writing, to the employer or appropriate authority an instance of wrongdoing or waste.” 43 P.S. §1423(a).




                  Numerous Federal laws also contain whistleblower protection clauses, normally related to the specific focus of the law. (For example, the Clean Air Act includes protection for whistleblowers who report violations of that act, but these protections do not extend to other reported violations.)



                  Many companies also have clauses in their employment handbooks and policies regarding treatment or protection for whistleblowers, as well as investigation of reported issues. For example, my company maintains a Code of Conduct and Ethics that includes clear protection for whistleblowers. Contacting my manager, the HR department, Compliance/Legal, or anonymously calling the Compliance line are all valid avenues to report an issue. This policy also clearly states that the issue will be investigated in confidence (not spread around to other, uninvolved employees) and with zero tolerance for retaliation.



                  A lawyer familiar with Pennsylvania employment law would be a great help to you, particularly to determine whether this constitutes a violation of Pennsylvania or federal law. However, also check your employment documents to see if they have similar protections, possibly with a compliance department or anonymous reporting line.






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                    The federal Department of Labor has a long list of federal statutes that protect whistleblowers in various scenarios here: whistleblowers.gov/statutes

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                  Given that you are in Pennsylvania, this situation may be covered by the Pennsylvania Whistleblowers Act, which says in part:




                  “No employer may discharge, threaten or otherwise discriminate or retaliate against an employee regarding the employee’s compensation, terms, conditions, location or privileges of employment because the employee or a person acting on behalf of the employee makes a good faith report or is about to report, verbally or in writing, to the employer or appropriate authority an instance of wrongdoing or waste.” 43 P.S. §1423(a).




                  Numerous Federal laws also contain whistleblower protection clauses, normally related to the specific focus of the law. (For example, the Clean Air Act includes protection for whistleblowers who report violations of that act, but these protections do not extend to other reported violations.)



                  Many companies also have clauses in their employment handbooks and policies regarding treatment or protection for whistleblowers, as well as investigation of reported issues. For example, my company maintains a Code of Conduct and Ethics that includes clear protection for whistleblowers. Contacting my manager, the HR department, Compliance/Legal, or anonymously calling the Compliance line are all valid avenues to report an issue. This policy also clearly states that the issue will be investigated in confidence (not spread around to other, uninvolved employees) and with zero tolerance for retaliation.



                  A lawyer familiar with Pennsylvania employment law would be a great help to you, particularly to determine whether this constitutes a violation of Pennsylvania or federal law. However, also check your employment documents to see if they have similar protections, possibly with a compliance department or anonymous reporting line.






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                  Given that you are in Pennsylvania, this situation may be covered by the Pennsylvania Whistleblowers Act, which says in part:




                  “No employer may discharge, threaten or otherwise discriminate or retaliate against an employee regarding the employee’s compensation, terms, conditions, location or privileges of employment because the employee or a person acting on behalf of the employee makes a good faith report or is about to report, verbally or in writing, to the employer or appropriate authority an instance of wrongdoing or waste.” 43 P.S. §1423(a).




                  Numerous Federal laws also contain whistleblower protection clauses, normally related to the specific focus of the law. (For example, the Clean Air Act includes protection for whistleblowers who report violations of that act, but these protections do not extend to other reported violations.)



                  Many companies also have clauses in their employment handbooks and policies regarding treatment or protection for whistleblowers, as well as investigation of reported issues. For example, my company maintains a Code of Conduct and Ethics that includes clear protection for whistleblowers. Contacting my manager, the HR department, Compliance/Legal, or anonymously calling the Compliance line are all valid avenues to report an issue. This policy also clearly states that the issue will be investigated in confidence (not spread around to other, uninvolved employees) and with zero tolerance for retaliation.



                  A lawyer familiar with Pennsylvania employment law would be a great help to you, particularly to determine whether this constitutes a violation of Pennsylvania or federal law. However, also check your employment documents to see if they have similar protections, possibly with a compliance department or anonymous reporting line.







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                    The federal Department of Labor has a long list of federal statutes that protect whistleblowers in various scenarios here: whistleblowers.gov/statutes

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                    The federal Department of Labor has a long list of federal statutes that protect whistleblowers in various scenarios here: whistleblowers.gov/statutes

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                  The federal Department of Labor has a long list of federal statutes that protect whistleblowers in various scenarios here: whistleblowers.gov/statutes

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                  The federal Department of Labor has a long list of federal statutes that protect whistleblowers in various scenarios here: whistleblowers.gov/statutes

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                  Get out ASAP, you are marked. Get out and get out now. Document everything they do, everything you do, and see a lawyer as soon as possible. They are aware that their illegal activities have been spotted, and you are a convenient scapegoat. Get all of your evidence to that lawyer, and do as he advises. Failing to do so could possibly make you an accessory after the fact to any illegal activities.



                  IANAL, which is why I am advising you to see one ASAP



                  In the future, GO TO A LAWYER FIRST, ALWAYS if you see any illegal activity.



                  You need to protect yourself.






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                  Get out ASAP, you are marked. Get out and get out now. Document everything they do, everything you do, and see a lawyer as soon as possible. They are aware that their illegal activities have been spotted, and you are a convenient scapegoat. Get all of your evidence to that lawyer, and do as he advises. Failing to do so could possibly make you an accessory after the fact to any illegal activities.



                  IANAL, which is why I am advising you to see one ASAP



                  In the future, GO TO A LAWYER FIRST, ALWAYS if you see any illegal activity.



                  You need to protect yourself.






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                  • The answers that say to get a lawyer never tell you how to pay for one.

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                  Get out ASAP, you are marked. Get out and get out now. Document everything they do, everything you do, and see a lawyer as soon as possible. They are aware that their illegal activities have been spotted, and you are a convenient scapegoat. Get all of your evidence to that lawyer, and do as he advises. Failing to do so could possibly make you an accessory after the fact to any illegal activities.



                  IANAL, which is why I am advising you to see one ASAP



                  In the future, GO TO A LAWYER FIRST, ALWAYS if you see any illegal activity.



                  You need to protect yourself.






                  share|improve this answer













                  Get out ASAP, you are marked. Get out and get out now. Document everything they do, everything you do, and see a lawyer as soon as possible. They are aware that their illegal activities have been spotted, and you are a convenient scapegoat. Get all of your evidence to that lawyer, and do as he advises. Failing to do so could possibly make you an accessory after the fact to any illegal activities.



                  IANAL, which is why I am advising you to see one ASAP



                  In the future, GO TO A LAWYER FIRST, ALWAYS if you see any illegal activity.



                  You need to protect yourself.







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                  • The answers that say to get a lawyer never tell you how to pay for one.

                    – user1717828
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                  • The answers that say to get a lawyer never tell you how to pay for one.

                    – user1717828
                    26 mins ago

















                  The answers that say to get a lawyer never tell you how to pay for one.

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                  26 mins ago





                  The answers that say to get a lawyer never tell you how to pay for one.

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                  Firstly, the accepted answer is wrong about whistleblowing.



                  Spotting illegal things and reporting it within the company is more than reasonable as it allows the company to attempt to resolve the situation before courts get involved. Most companies would prefer you whistle blow internally rather than externally as it gives them a chance to do something about it.



                  Whistleblowing is protected by law. It is illegal for them to treat you unfairly because of this action.



                  Your actions up to this point have been within your rights and MOST companies would not complain about your actions so far. If the company believed that your call was wrong and that the actions were legal, then the correct thing to do would be to just let the issue be and ignore you.





                  You are now in the position though, that your job is at risk, and the law isn't something that these people care about. The first thing to do is to discuss with a lawyer or citizens advice bureau what your next step will be. Collect evidence NOW of any unfair treatment that happens to you because of this event.






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                    If the illegal activity has to do with money laundering in the UK you could actually get into a lot of trouble by "reporting it internally" because if you tip off the perpetrators you are considered complicit

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                    2 days ago






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                    Maybe I have been using the term wrong but I always considered whistle blowing to mean reporting in general, not internally specifically.

                    – Captain Man
                    2 days ago











                  • @Ben the FCA has a whistle blowing department - it's true; but many banks also have a department for whistleblowing which (obviously) must adhere to strict rules. Raising concerns with the manager would not be appropriate as you say, but contacting that whistle blowing department of the firm is still internal.

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                  • @CaptainMan indeed - it's not strictly internal. I leave you to read the link I posted that states "You can tell your employer" ... "If you tell a prescribed person or body, it must be one that deals with the issue you’re raising" that prescribed body can be internal or external

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                    2 days ago






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                    @UKMonkey I'm referring to this sentence, "Most companies would prefer you whistle blow rather than report directly to police" which gives the impression that whistle blowing is not going to the police.

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                  Firstly, the accepted answer is wrong about whistleblowing.



                  Spotting illegal things and reporting it within the company is more than reasonable as it allows the company to attempt to resolve the situation before courts get involved. Most companies would prefer you whistle blow internally rather than externally as it gives them a chance to do something about it.



                  Whistleblowing is protected by law. It is illegal for them to treat you unfairly because of this action.



                  Your actions up to this point have been within your rights and MOST companies would not complain about your actions so far. If the company believed that your call was wrong and that the actions were legal, then the correct thing to do would be to just let the issue be and ignore you.





                  You are now in the position though, that your job is at risk, and the law isn't something that these people care about. The first thing to do is to discuss with a lawyer or citizens advice bureau what your next step will be. Collect evidence NOW of any unfair treatment that happens to you because of this event.






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                  • 5





                    If the illegal activity has to do with money laundering in the UK you could actually get into a lot of trouble by "reporting it internally" because if you tip off the perpetrators you are considered complicit

                    – Ben
                    2 days ago






                  • 1





                    Maybe I have been using the term wrong but I always considered whistle blowing to mean reporting in general, not internally specifically.

                    – Captain Man
                    2 days ago











                  • @Ben the FCA has a whistle blowing department - it's true; but many banks also have a department for whistleblowing which (obviously) must adhere to strict rules. Raising concerns with the manager would not be appropriate as you say, but contacting that whistle blowing department of the firm is still internal.

                    – UKMonkey
                    2 days ago













                  • @CaptainMan indeed - it's not strictly internal. I leave you to read the link I posted that states "You can tell your employer" ... "If you tell a prescribed person or body, it must be one that deals with the issue you’re raising" that prescribed body can be internal or external

                    – UKMonkey
                    2 days ago






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                    @UKMonkey I'm referring to this sentence, "Most companies would prefer you whistle blow rather than report directly to police" which gives the impression that whistle blowing is not going to the police.

                    – Captain Man
                    2 days ago














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                  Firstly, the accepted answer is wrong about whistleblowing.



                  Spotting illegal things and reporting it within the company is more than reasonable as it allows the company to attempt to resolve the situation before courts get involved. Most companies would prefer you whistle blow internally rather than externally as it gives them a chance to do something about it.



                  Whistleblowing is protected by law. It is illegal for them to treat you unfairly because of this action.



                  Your actions up to this point have been within your rights and MOST companies would not complain about your actions so far. If the company believed that your call was wrong and that the actions were legal, then the correct thing to do would be to just let the issue be and ignore you.





                  You are now in the position though, that your job is at risk, and the law isn't something that these people care about. The first thing to do is to discuss with a lawyer or citizens advice bureau what your next step will be. Collect evidence NOW of any unfair treatment that happens to you because of this event.






                  share|improve this answer















                  Firstly, the accepted answer is wrong about whistleblowing.



                  Spotting illegal things and reporting it within the company is more than reasonable as it allows the company to attempt to resolve the situation before courts get involved. Most companies would prefer you whistle blow internally rather than externally as it gives them a chance to do something about it.



                  Whistleblowing is protected by law. It is illegal for them to treat you unfairly because of this action.



                  Your actions up to this point have been within your rights and MOST companies would not complain about your actions so far. If the company believed that your call was wrong and that the actions were legal, then the correct thing to do would be to just let the issue be and ignore you.





                  You are now in the position though, that your job is at risk, and the law isn't something that these people care about. The first thing to do is to discuss with a lawyer or citizens advice bureau what your next step will be. Collect evidence NOW of any unfair treatment that happens to you because of this event.







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                  • 5





                    If the illegal activity has to do with money laundering in the UK you could actually get into a lot of trouble by "reporting it internally" because if you tip off the perpetrators you are considered complicit

                    – Ben
                    2 days ago






                  • 1





                    Maybe I have been using the term wrong but I always considered whistle blowing to mean reporting in general, not internally specifically.

                    – Captain Man
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                  • @Ben the FCA has a whistle blowing department - it's true; but many banks also have a department for whistleblowing which (obviously) must adhere to strict rules. Raising concerns with the manager would not be appropriate as you say, but contacting that whistle blowing department of the firm is still internal.

                    – UKMonkey
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                  • @CaptainMan indeed - it's not strictly internal. I leave you to read the link I posted that states "You can tell your employer" ... "If you tell a prescribed person or body, it must be one that deals with the issue you’re raising" that prescribed body can be internal or external

                    – UKMonkey
                    2 days ago






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                    @UKMonkey I'm referring to this sentence, "Most companies would prefer you whistle blow rather than report directly to police" which gives the impression that whistle blowing is not going to the police.

                    – Captain Man
                    2 days ago














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                    If the illegal activity has to do with money laundering in the UK you could actually get into a lot of trouble by "reporting it internally" because if you tip off the perpetrators you are considered complicit

                    – Ben
                    2 days ago






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                    Maybe I have been using the term wrong but I always considered whistle blowing to mean reporting in general, not internally specifically.

                    – Captain Man
                    2 days ago











                  • @Ben the FCA has a whistle blowing department - it's true; but many banks also have a department for whistleblowing which (obviously) must adhere to strict rules. Raising concerns with the manager would not be appropriate as you say, but contacting that whistle blowing department of the firm is still internal.

                    – UKMonkey
                    2 days ago













                  • @CaptainMan indeed - it's not strictly internal. I leave you to read the link I posted that states "You can tell your employer" ... "If you tell a prescribed person or body, it must be one that deals with the issue you’re raising" that prescribed body can be internal or external

                    – UKMonkey
                    2 days ago






                  • 3





                    @UKMonkey I'm referring to this sentence, "Most companies would prefer you whistle blow rather than report directly to police" which gives the impression that whistle blowing is not going to the police.

                    – Captain Man
                    2 days ago








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                  If the illegal activity has to do with money laundering in the UK you could actually get into a lot of trouble by "reporting it internally" because if you tip off the perpetrators you are considered complicit

                  – Ben
                  2 days ago





                  If the illegal activity has to do with money laundering in the UK you could actually get into a lot of trouble by "reporting it internally" because if you tip off the perpetrators you are considered complicit

                  – Ben
                  2 days ago




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                  Maybe I have been using the term wrong but I always considered whistle blowing to mean reporting in general, not internally specifically.

                  – Captain Man
                  2 days ago





                  Maybe I have been using the term wrong but I always considered whistle blowing to mean reporting in general, not internally specifically.

                  – Captain Man
                  2 days ago













                  @Ben the FCA has a whistle blowing department - it's true; but many banks also have a department for whistleblowing which (obviously) must adhere to strict rules. Raising concerns with the manager would not be appropriate as you say, but contacting that whistle blowing department of the firm is still internal.

                  – UKMonkey
                  2 days ago







                  @Ben the FCA has a whistle blowing department - it's true; but many banks also have a department for whistleblowing which (obviously) must adhere to strict rules. Raising concerns with the manager would not be appropriate as you say, but contacting that whistle blowing department of the firm is still internal.

                  – UKMonkey
                  2 days ago















                  @CaptainMan indeed - it's not strictly internal. I leave you to read the link I posted that states "You can tell your employer" ... "If you tell a prescribed person or body, it must be one that deals with the issue you’re raising" that prescribed body can be internal or external

                  – UKMonkey
                  2 days ago





                  @CaptainMan indeed - it's not strictly internal. I leave you to read the link I posted that states "You can tell your employer" ... "If you tell a prescribed person or body, it must be one that deals with the issue you’re raising" that prescribed body can be internal or external

                  – UKMonkey
                  2 days ago




                  3




                  3





                  @UKMonkey I'm referring to this sentence, "Most companies would prefer you whistle blow rather than report directly to police" which gives the impression that whistle blowing is not going to the police.

                  – Captain Man
                  2 days ago





                  @UKMonkey I'm referring to this sentence, "Most companies would prefer you whistle blow rather than report directly to police" which gives the impression that whistle blowing is not going to the police.

                  – Captain Man
                  2 days ago











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                  Just polish your CV and get the hell out. You did the right thing by not accepting to engage in illegal actions. Document every impossible task and everything you do. Make a copy of everything and watch your back until you don't find a new employment.






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                    Just polish your CV and get the hell out. You did the right thing by not accepting to engage in illegal actions. Document every impossible task and everything you do. Make a copy of everything and watch your back until you don't find a new employment.






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                      Just polish your CV and get the hell out. You did the right thing by not accepting to engage in illegal actions. Document every impossible task and everything you do. Make a copy of everything and watch your back until you don't find a new employment.






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                          It’s generally reasonable for boss-squared to discuss issues with your boss. But given some criminal contexts in play, it might not be reasonable in this case.



                          IANAL I’d first suggest you look into your state’s whistleblower laws and reporting requirements. It could be the case that just knowing laws are getting broken and not reporting them could bring you down as well.



                          Next, document. Attempt to contact HR. It sounds as though it may fall on deaf ears, but document that you attempted to alert the “internal authorities”. If required by law to report it, you should very likely do so, regardless of in-company consequences. I doubt any whistleblower protection will cause this to be a place you feel comfortable staying in long term, but might at least give you recourse for compensation if you have to be unemployed.



                          As far as in office, I suspect you need to leave at earliest option. Lay as low as you can until you can, but there are a host of red flags here.




                          • Ignoring regulations;

                          • Boss-squared airing a sensitive issue to a broad audience;

                          • Trivializing a serious complaint;

                          • Human Resources inaccessibility to the human resources.


                          MAYBE boss-squared realizes he’s erred but it sounds like your boss now has reason to be wary of you and his boss supports him.






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                            It’s generally reasonable for boss-squared to discuss issues with your boss. But given some criminal contexts in play, it might not be reasonable in this case.



                            IANAL I’d first suggest you look into your state’s whistleblower laws and reporting requirements. It could be the case that just knowing laws are getting broken and not reporting them could bring you down as well.



                            Next, document. Attempt to contact HR. It sounds as though it may fall on deaf ears, but document that you attempted to alert the “internal authorities”. If required by law to report it, you should very likely do so, regardless of in-company consequences. I doubt any whistleblower protection will cause this to be a place you feel comfortable staying in long term, but might at least give you recourse for compensation if you have to be unemployed.



                            As far as in office, I suspect you need to leave at earliest option. Lay as low as you can until you can, but there are a host of red flags here.




                            • Ignoring regulations;

                            • Boss-squared airing a sensitive issue to a broad audience;

                            • Trivializing a serious complaint;

                            • Human Resources inaccessibility to the human resources.


                            MAYBE boss-squared realizes he’s erred but it sounds like your boss now has reason to be wary of you and his boss supports him.






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                              It’s generally reasonable for boss-squared to discuss issues with your boss. But given some criminal contexts in play, it might not be reasonable in this case.



                              IANAL I’d first suggest you look into your state’s whistleblower laws and reporting requirements. It could be the case that just knowing laws are getting broken and not reporting them could bring you down as well.



                              Next, document. Attempt to contact HR. It sounds as though it may fall on deaf ears, but document that you attempted to alert the “internal authorities”. If required by law to report it, you should very likely do so, regardless of in-company consequences. I doubt any whistleblower protection will cause this to be a place you feel comfortable staying in long term, but might at least give you recourse for compensation if you have to be unemployed.



                              As far as in office, I suspect you need to leave at earliest option. Lay as low as you can until you can, but there are a host of red flags here.




                              • Ignoring regulations;

                              • Boss-squared airing a sensitive issue to a broad audience;

                              • Trivializing a serious complaint;

                              • Human Resources inaccessibility to the human resources.


                              MAYBE boss-squared realizes he’s erred but it sounds like your boss now has reason to be wary of you and his boss supports him.






                              share|improve this answer













                              It’s generally reasonable for boss-squared to discuss issues with your boss. But given some criminal contexts in play, it might not be reasonable in this case.



                              IANAL I’d first suggest you look into your state’s whistleblower laws and reporting requirements. It could be the case that just knowing laws are getting broken and not reporting them could bring you down as well.



                              Next, document. Attempt to contact HR. It sounds as though it may fall on deaf ears, but document that you attempted to alert the “internal authorities”. If required by law to report it, you should very likely do so, regardless of in-company consequences. I doubt any whistleblower protection will cause this to be a place you feel comfortable staying in long term, but might at least give you recourse for compensation if you have to be unemployed.



                              As far as in office, I suspect you need to leave at earliest option. Lay as low as you can until you can, but there are a host of red flags here.




                              • Ignoring regulations;

                              • Boss-squared airing a sensitive issue to a broad audience;

                              • Trivializing a serious complaint;

                              • Human Resources inaccessibility to the human resources.


                              MAYBE boss-squared realizes he’s erred but it sounds like your boss now has reason to be wary of you and his boss supports him.







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                                  Ask yourself whether you want to work for psychopaths. Good luck finding a good employer.






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