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I'm wondering if chords usually move down by fifths. It seems so by the diagram, so iii to vi, vi to ii, ii to V, V to I. etc. Other chords can also be thought of like that, because IV/ii and V/vii are often interchangeable. So IV -> V can be thought of as ii -> V.

Is that the most typical movement of a chord progression?
See 4:55 in the video below. This is one of many teachers explaining this flow. I've seen this flow myself in plenty of songs I've played.
harmony chord-progressions
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I'm wondering if chords usually move down by fifths. It seems so by the diagram, so iii to vi, vi to ii, ii to V, V to I. etc. Other chords can also be thought of like that, because IV/ii and V/vii are often interchangeable. So IV -> V can be thought of as ii -> V.

Is that the most typical movement of a chord progression?
See 4:55 in the video below. This is one of many teachers explaining this flow. I've seen this flow myself in plenty of songs I've played.
harmony chord-progressions
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I'm wondering if chords usually move down by fifths. It seems so by the diagram, so iii to vi, vi to ii, ii to V, V to I. etc. Other chords can also be thought of like that, because IV/ii and V/vii are often interchangeable. So IV -> V can be thought of as ii -> V.

Is that the most typical movement of a chord progression?
See 4:55 in the video below. This is one of many teachers explaining this flow. I've seen this flow myself in plenty of songs I've played.
harmony chord-progressions
I'm wondering if chords usually move down by fifths. It seems so by the diagram, so iii to vi, vi to ii, ii to V, V to I. etc. Other chords can also be thought of like that, because IV/ii and V/vii are often interchangeable. So IV -> V can be thought of as ii -> V.

Is that the most typical movement of a chord progression?
See 4:55 in the video below. This is one of many teachers explaining this flow. I've seen this flow myself in plenty of songs I've played.
harmony chord-progressions
harmony chord-progressions
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Do chord progressions usually move by fifths?
No.
I think you are overlooking an important part of that flow chart: the curved arrow to the right of I means "the tonic chord can move to any other chord."
So, that results in a super common progression I ii6.
The rest of the flow chart does display descending fifth progressions with some options variations like IV ii and vii0 V.
Of course IV V is absolutely essential to functional harmony and that is root progression by step.
Step-wise movement of 1st inversion chords is completely missing from the flow chart.
Keep in mind that a lot of harmony by descending/ascending fifth will occur as sequential harmony. In terms of phrasing and structure in common practice those sequential passages don't just happen anywhere. There are structural conventions to consider.
Anyway, IV V, I ii6, and V vi are so super common that we really can't say progression by fifths is the usual movement.
The flow chart isn't "wrong" but it leaves out a lot of important information about formal structure and harmonic conventions in common practice music.
I'm quite concerned that people may believe in anything they find on the 'net. Find something, post it, and suddenly it's credible. It worries me that peple could be that fickle. I can't say more. Someone might believe me...
– Tim
4 hours ago
1
That flow chart is found in many forms, but the original source is Kostka, Payne, Tonal Harmony. So it gets re-presented on the web, minus the 400 pages of text of the original book. That leave many unsuspecting webizens thinking they've found the holy grail of harmony in a single chart. I wish the rule of the octave was to top Google result instead!
– Michael Curtis
3 hours ago
“It was precisely in Corelli’s time, the late seventeenth century, that the circle of fifths was being ‘theorized’ as the main propellor of harmonic motion, and it was Corelli more than any one composer who put that new idea into telling practice.” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_fifths
– foreyez
3 hours ago
1
Also note that I said "usually" which means most of the time. If it's not most of the time then what interval is? Hasn't there harmonic/frequency analysis done on this?
– foreyez
3 hours ago
4
Be careful to not use "usual" as a weasel word to justify an overly simplistic view. Commonest root progressions will be descending 5ths, 4ths, and 3rds, and ascending step... all of them very common, very usual.
– Michael Curtis
3 hours ago
|
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There are two melodic clauses - probably the most usual:
soso lati dododo (and its minor relative: mi fi si la
sofa mire do ... ( miredoti la)
Both are leading a fourth up or fifth down.
also the usual bass-line that goes do re mi do, fa so la fa or so la ti so, do re mi do etc.
They are developed by counterpoint as well they are basic for harmonic progressions! (Since Baroque - if not even Gregorian chant - till many popsongs and walking bass in jazz.
Btw.: this question is related to another that has been asked recently about the circle of fifths which is actually a circle of fourths.
Another reason is: that dominant and secondary dominant chords have two tones in common.
The other most usual progression is IV-V. We wonder that here are no common tones. A possible answer/explanation could be: The progression IV-V is actually a whole turn round skipping the whole circle. (That’s what I read in my first theory book that I held in my hand with 17 years.)
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No. It's not ALL about 'the circle of 5ths'. You really need to let this one go!
The teacher in that video is stating 'rules' that just don't exist. (I think she's obsessed with the 'circle' too :-) )
haha, you caught it :). but I really think it is though. to give you an example, yesterday I played something that I've been playing since I was about 8 years old on the piano, I never knew what it was. it was just some jingle I always had in my head. Turns out, it was the circle of fifths progression. not just that, but today I stumbled upon the lead sheet for 'all the things you are' which is a jazz standard that is also based on the circle. then I found out that 'autumn leaves' also based on the circle. and pretty much every pop song I find forms arcs on the circle.
– foreyez
3 hours ago
And dare I say it - the theme tune for 'Coronation Street' (a U.K. soap, so it's heard several times a night) contains that same sequence...
– Tim
3 hours ago
1
@foreyez ...except when it isn't by desc 5ths, like the tritone sub, modal jazz, Giant Steps, etc. roots by fifth is a harmonic essential, but don't overlook the other harmony essentials!
– Michael Curtis
3 hours ago
@MichaelCurtis not overlooking but I just asked what happens over 51% of the time. according to that diagram and the many songs I played it looks like fifths.
– foreyez
3 hours ago
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@foreyez you'll probably never be happy with any answers if you are trying to quantify it like "what happens over 51% of the time". Based on your style and your goal what is expected and what happens is vastly different and trying to pigeonhole all chord progressions into this general sense is not very useful.
– Dom♦
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Do chord progressions usually move by fifths?
No.
I think you are overlooking an important part of that flow chart: the curved arrow to the right of I means "the tonic chord can move to any other chord."
So, that results in a super common progression I ii6.
The rest of the flow chart does display descending fifth progressions with some options variations like IV ii and vii0 V.
Of course IV V is absolutely essential to functional harmony and that is root progression by step.
Step-wise movement of 1st inversion chords is completely missing from the flow chart.
Keep in mind that a lot of harmony by descending/ascending fifth will occur as sequential harmony. In terms of phrasing and structure in common practice those sequential passages don't just happen anywhere. There are structural conventions to consider.
Anyway, IV V, I ii6, and V vi are so super common that we really can't say progression by fifths is the usual movement.
The flow chart isn't "wrong" but it leaves out a lot of important information about formal structure and harmonic conventions in common practice music.
I'm quite concerned that people may believe in anything they find on the 'net. Find something, post it, and suddenly it's credible. It worries me that peple could be that fickle. I can't say more. Someone might believe me...
– Tim
4 hours ago
1
That flow chart is found in many forms, but the original source is Kostka, Payne, Tonal Harmony. So it gets re-presented on the web, minus the 400 pages of text of the original book. That leave many unsuspecting webizens thinking they've found the holy grail of harmony in a single chart. I wish the rule of the octave was to top Google result instead!
– Michael Curtis
3 hours ago
“It was precisely in Corelli’s time, the late seventeenth century, that the circle of fifths was being ‘theorized’ as the main propellor of harmonic motion, and it was Corelli more than any one composer who put that new idea into telling practice.” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_fifths
– foreyez
3 hours ago
1
Also note that I said "usually" which means most of the time. If it's not most of the time then what interval is? Hasn't there harmonic/frequency analysis done on this?
– foreyez
3 hours ago
4
Be careful to not use "usual" as a weasel word to justify an overly simplistic view. Commonest root progressions will be descending 5ths, 4ths, and 3rds, and ascending step... all of them very common, very usual.
– Michael Curtis
3 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
Do chord progressions usually move by fifths?
No.
I think you are overlooking an important part of that flow chart: the curved arrow to the right of I means "the tonic chord can move to any other chord."
So, that results in a super common progression I ii6.
The rest of the flow chart does display descending fifth progressions with some options variations like IV ii and vii0 V.
Of course IV V is absolutely essential to functional harmony and that is root progression by step.
Step-wise movement of 1st inversion chords is completely missing from the flow chart.
Keep in mind that a lot of harmony by descending/ascending fifth will occur as sequential harmony. In terms of phrasing and structure in common practice those sequential passages don't just happen anywhere. There are structural conventions to consider.
Anyway, IV V, I ii6, and V vi are so super common that we really can't say progression by fifths is the usual movement.
The flow chart isn't "wrong" but it leaves out a lot of important information about formal structure and harmonic conventions in common practice music.
I'm quite concerned that people may believe in anything they find on the 'net. Find something, post it, and suddenly it's credible. It worries me that peple could be that fickle. I can't say more. Someone might believe me...
– Tim
4 hours ago
1
That flow chart is found in many forms, but the original source is Kostka, Payne, Tonal Harmony. So it gets re-presented on the web, minus the 400 pages of text of the original book. That leave many unsuspecting webizens thinking they've found the holy grail of harmony in a single chart. I wish the rule of the octave was to top Google result instead!
– Michael Curtis
3 hours ago
“It was precisely in Corelli’s time, the late seventeenth century, that the circle of fifths was being ‘theorized’ as the main propellor of harmonic motion, and it was Corelli more than any one composer who put that new idea into telling practice.” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_fifths
– foreyez
3 hours ago
1
Also note that I said "usually" which means most of the time. If it's not most of the time then what interval is? Hasn't there harmonic/frequency analysis done on this?
– foreyez
3 hours ago
4
Be careful to not use "usual" as a weasel word to justify an overly simplistic view. Commonest root progressions will be descending 5ths, 4ths, and 3rds, and ascending step... all of them very common, very usual.
– Michael Curtis
3 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
Do chord progressions usually move by fifths?
No.
I think you are overlooking an important part of that flow chart: the curved arrow to the right of I means "the tonic chord can move to any other chord."
So, that results in a super common progression I ii6.
The rest of the flow chart does display descending fifth progressions with some options variations like IV ii and vii0 V.
Of course IV V is absolutely essential to functional harmony and that is root progression by step.
Step-wise movement of 1st inversion chords is completely missing from the flow chart.
Keep in mind that a lot of harmony by descending/ascending fifth will occur as sequential harmony. In terms of phrasing and structure in common practice those sequential passages don't just happen anywhere. There are structural conventions to consider.
Anyway, IV V, I ii6, and V vi are so super common that we really can't say progression by fifths is the usual movement.
The flow chart isn't "wrong" but it leaves out a lot of important information about formal structure and harmonic conventions in common practice music.
Do chord progressions usually move by fifths?
No.
I think you are overlooking an important part of that flow chart: the curved arrow to the right of I means "the tonic chord can move to any other chord."
So, that results in a super common progression I ii6.
The rest of the flow chart does display descending fifth progressions with some options variations like IV ii and vii0 V.
Of course IV V is absolutely essential to functional harmony and that is root progression by step.
Step-wise movement of 1st inversion chords is completely missing from the flow chart.
Keep in mind that a lot of harmony by descending/ascending fifth will occur as sequential harmony. In terms of phrasing and structure in common practice those sequential passages don't just happen anywhere. There are structural conventions to consider.
Anyway, IV V, I ii6, and V vi are so super common that we really can't say progression by fifths is the usual movement.
The flow chart isn't "wrong" but it leaves out a lot of important information about formal structure and harmonic conventions in common practice music.
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I'm quite concerned that people may believe in anything they find on the 'net. Find something, post it, and suddenly it's credible. It worries me that peple could be that fickle. I can't say more. Someone might believe me...
– Tim
4 hours ago
1
That flow chart is found in many forms, but the original source is Kostka, Payne, Tonal Harmony. So it gets re-presented on the web, minus the 400 pages of text of the original book. That leave many unsuspecting webizens thinking they've found the holy grail of harmony in a single chart. I wish the rule of the octave was to top Google result instead!
– Michael Curtis
3 hours ago
“It was precisely in Corelli’s time, the late seventeenth century, that the circle of fifths was being ‘theorized’ as the main propellor of harmonic motion, and it was Corelli more than any one composer who put that new idea into telling practice.” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_fifths
– foreyez
3 hours ago
1
Also note that I said "usually" which means most of the time. If it's not most of the time then what interval is? Hasn't there harmonic/frequency analysis done on this?
– foreyez
3 hours ago
4
Be careful to not use "usual" as a weasel word to justify an overly simplistic view. Commonest root progressions will be descending 5ths, 4ths, and 3rds, and ascending step... all of them very common, very usual.
– Michael Curtis
3 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
I'm quite concerned that people may believe in anything they find on the 'net. Find something, post it, and suddenly it's credible. It worries me that peple could be that fickle. I can't say more. Someone might believe me...
– Tim
4 hours ago
1
That flow chart is found in many forms, but the original source is Kostka, Payne, Tonal Harmony. So it gets re-presented on the web, minus the 400 pages of text of the original book. That leave many unsuspecting webizens thinking they've found the holy grail of harmony in a single chart. I wish the rule of the octave was to top Google result instead!
– Michael Curtis
3 hours ago
“It was precisely in Corelli’s time, the late seventeenth century, that the circle of fifths was being ‘theorized’ as the main propellor of harmonic motion, and it was Corelli more than any one composer who put that new idea into telling practice.” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_fifths
– foreyez
3 hours ago
1
Also note that I said "usually" which means most of the time. If it's not most of the time then what interval is? Hasn't there harmonic/frequency analysis done on this?
– foreyez
3 hours ago
4
Be careful to not use "usual" as a weasel word to justify an overly simplistic view. Commonest root progressions will be descending 5ths, 4ths, and 3rds, and ascending step... all of them very common, very usual.
– Michael Curtis
3 hours ago
I'm quite concerned that people may believe in anything they find on the 'net. Find something, post it, and suddenly it's credible. It worries me that peple could be that fickle. I can't say more. Someone might believe me...
– Tim
4 hours ago
I'm quite concerned that people may believe in anything they find on the 'net. Find something, post it, and suddenly it's credible. It worries me that peple could be that fickle. I can't say more. Someone might believe me...
– Tim
4 hours ago
1
1
That flow chart is found in many forms, but the original source is Kostka, Payne, Tonal Harmony. So it gets re-presented on the web, minus the 400 pages of text of the original book. That leave many unsuspecting webizens thinking they've found the holy grail of harmony in a single chart. I wish the rule of the octave was to top Google result instead!
– Michael Curtis
3 hours ago
That flow chart is found in many forms, but the original source is Kostka, Payne, Tonal Harmony. So it gets re-presented on the web, minus the 400 pages of text of the original book. That leave many unsuspecting webizens thinking they've found the holy grail of harmony in a single chart. I wish the rule of the octave was to top Google result instead!
– Michael Curtis
3 hours ago
“It was precisely in Corelli’s time, the late seventeenth century, that the circle of fifths was being ‘theorized’ as the main propellor of harmonic motion, and it was Corelli more than any one composer who put that new idea into telling practice.” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_fifths
– foreyez
3 hours ago
“It was precisely in Corelli’s time, the late seventeenth century, that the circle of fifths was being ‘theorized’ as the main propellor of harmonic motion, and it was Corelli more than any one composer who put that new idea into telling practice.” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_fifths
– foreyez
3 hours ago
1
1
Also note that I said "usually" which means most of the time. If it's not most of the time then what interval is? Hasn't there harmonic/frequency analysis done on this?
– foreyez
3 hours ago
Also note that I said "usually" which means most of the time. If it's not most of the time then what interval is? Hasn't there harmonic/frequency analysis done on this?
– foreyez
3 hours ago
4
4
Be careful to not use "usual" as a weasel word to justify an overly simplistic view. Commonest root progressions will be descending 5ths, 4ths, and 3rds, and ascending step... all of them very common, very usual.
– Michael Curtis
3 hours ago
Be careful to not use "usual" as a weasel word to justify an overly simplistic view. Commonest root progressions will be descending 5ths, 4ths, and 3rds, and ascending step... all of them very common, very usual.
– Michael Curtis
3 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
There are two melodic clauses - probably the most usual:
soso lati dododo (and its minor relative: mi fi si la
sofa mire do ... ( miredoti la)
Both are leading a fourth up or fifth down.
also the usual bass-line that goes do re mi do, fa so la fa or so la ti so, do re mi do etc.
They are developed by counterpoint as well they are basic for harmonic progressions! (Since Baroque - if not even Gregorian chant - till many popsongs and walking bass in jazz.
Btw.: this question is related to another that has been asked recently about the circle of fifths which is actually a circle of fourths.
Another reason is: that dominant and secondary dominant chords have two tones in common.
The other most usual progression is IV-V. We wonder that here are no common tones. A possible answer/explanation could be: The progression IV-V is actually a whole turn round skipping the whole circle. (That’s what I read in my first theory book that I held in my hand with 17 years.)
add a comment |
There are two melodic clauses - probably the most usual:
soso lati dododo (and its minor relative: mi fi si la
sofa mire do ... ( miredoti la)
Both are leading a fourth up or fifth down.
also the usual bass-line that goes do re mi do, fa so la fa or so la ti so, do re mi do etc.
They are developed by counterpoint as well they are basic for harmonic progressions! (Since Baroque - if not even Gregorian chant - till many popsongs and walking bass in jazz.
Btw.: this question is related to another that has been asked recently about the circle of fifths which is actually a circle of fourths.
Another reason is: that dominant and secondary dominant chords have two tones in common.
The other most usual progression is IV-V. We wonder that here are no common tones. A possible answer/explanation could be: The progression IV-V is actually a whole turn round skipping the whole circle. (That’s what I read in my first theory book that I held in my hand with 17 years.)
add a comment |
There are two melodic clauses - probably the most usual:
soso lati dododo (and its minor relative: mi fi si la
sofa mire do ... ( miredoti la)
Both are leading a fourth up or fifth down.
also the usual bass-line that goes do re mi do, fa so la fa or so la ti so, do re mi do etc.
They are developed by counterpoint as well they are basic for harmonic progressions! (Since Baroque - if not even Gregorian chant - till many popsongs and walking bass in jazz.
Btw.: this question is related to another that has been asked recently about the circle of fifths which is actually a circle of fourths.
Another reason is: that dominant and secondary dominant chords have two tones in common.
The other most usual progression is IV-V. We wonder that here are no common tones. A possible answer/explanation could be: The progression IV-V is actually a whole turn round skipping the whole circle. (That’s what I read in my first theory book that I held in my hand with 17 years.)
There are two melodic clauses - probably the most usual:
soso lati dododo (and its minor relative: mi fi si la
sofa mire do ... ( miredoti la)
Both are leading a fourth up or fifth down.
also the usual bass-line that goes do re mi do, fa so la fa or so la ti so, do re mi do etc.
They are developed by counterpoint as well they are basic for harmonic progressions! (Since Baroque - if not even Gregorian chant - till many popsongs and walking bass in jazz.
Btw.: this question is related to another that has been asked recently about the circle of fifths which is actually a circle of fourths.
Another reason is: that dominant and secondary dominant chords have two tones in common.
The other most usual progression is IV-V. We wonder that here are no common tones. A possible answer/explanation could be: The progression IV-V is actually a whole turn round skipping the whole circle. (That’s what I read in my first theory book that I held in my hand with 17 years.)
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No. It's not ALL about 'the circle of 5ths'. You really need to let this one go!
The teacher in that video is stating 'rules' that just don't exist. (I think she's obsessed with the 'circle' too :-) )
haha, you caught it :). but I really think it is though. to give you an example, yesterday I played something that I've been playing since I was about 8 years old on the piano, I never knew what it was. it was just some jingle I always had in my head. Turns out, it was the circle of fifths progression. not just that, but today I stumbled upon the lead sheet for 'all the things you are' which is a jazz standard that is also based on the circle. then I found out that 'autumn leaves' also based on the circle. and pretty much every pop song I find forms arcs on the circle.
– foreyez
3 hours ago
And dare I say it - the theme tune for 'Coronation Street' (a U.K. soap, so it's heard several times a night) contains that same sequence...
– Tim
3 hours ago
1
@foreyez ...except when it isn't by desc 5ths, like the tritone sub, modal jazz, Giant Steps, etc. roots by fifth is a harmonic essential, but don't overlook the other harmony essentials!
– Michael Curtis
3 hours ago
@MichaelCurtis not overlooking but I just asked what happens over 51% of the time. according to that diagram and the many songs I played it looks like fifths.
– foreyez
3 hours ago
2
@foreyez you'll probably never be happy with any answers if you are trying to quantify it like "what happens over 51% of the time". Based on your style and your goal what is expected and what happens is vastly different and trying to pigeonhole all chord progressions into this general sense is not very useful.
– Dom♦
3 hours ago
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No. It's not ALL about 'the circle of 5ths'. You really need to let this one go!
The teacher in that video is stating 'rules' that just don't exist. (I think she's obsessed with the 'circle' too :-) )
haha, you caught it :). but I really think it is though. to give you an example, yesterday I played something that I've been playing since I was about 8 years old on the piano, I never knew what it was. it was just some jingle I always had in my head. Turns out, it was the circle of fifths progression. not just that, but today I stumbled upon the lead sheet for 'all the things you are' which is a jazz standard that is also based on the circle. then I found out that 'autumn leaves' also based on the circle. and pretty much every pop song I find forms arcs on the circle.
– foreyez
3 hours ago
And dare I say it - the theme tune for 'Coronation Street' (a U.K. soap, so it's heard several times a night) contains that same sequence...
– Tim
3 hours ago
1
@foreyez ...except when it isn't by desc 5ths, like the tritone sub, modal jazz, Giant Steps, etc. roots by fifth is a harmonic essential, but don't overlook the other harmony essentials!
– Michael Curtis
3 hours ago
@MichaelCurtis not overlooking but I just asked what happens over 51% of the time. according to that diagram and the many songs I played it looks like fifths.
– foreyez
3 hours ago
2
@foreyez you'll probably never be happy with any answers if you are trying to quantify it like "what happens over 51% of the time". Based on your style and your goal what is expected and what happens is vastly different and trying to pigeonhole all chord progressions into this general sense is not very useful.
– Dom♦
3 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
No. It's not ALL about 'the circle of 5ths'. You really need to let this one go!
The teacher in that video is stating 'rules' that just don't exist. (I think she's obsessed with the 'circle' too :-) )
No. It's not ALL about 'the circle of 5ths'. You really need to let this one go!
The teacher in that video is stating 'rules' that just don't exist. (I think she's obsessed with the 'circle' too :-) )
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haha, you caught it :). but I really think it is though. to give you an example, yesterday I played something that I've been playing since I was about 8 years old on the piano, I never knew what it was. it was just some jingle I always had in my head. Turns out, it was the circle of fifths progression. not just that, but today I stumbled upon the lead sheet for 'all the things you are' which is a jazz standard that is also based on the circle. then I found out that 'autumn leaves' also based on the circle. and pretty much every pop song I find forms arcs on the circle.
– foreyez
3 hours ago
And dare I say it - the theme tune for 'Coronation Street' (a U.K. soap, so it's heard several times a night) contains that same sequence...
– Tim
3 hours ago
1
@foreyez ...except when it isn't by desc 5ths, like the tritone sub, modal jazz, Giant Steps, etc. roots by fifth is a harmonic essential, but don't overlook the other harmony essentials!
– Michael Curtis
3 hours ago
@MichaelCurtis not overlooking but I just asked what happens over 51% of the time. according to that diagram and the many songs I played it looks like fifths.
– foreyez
3 hours ago
2
@foreyez you'll probably never be happy with any answers if you are trying to quantify it like "what happens over 51% of the time". Based on your style and your goal what is expected and what happens is vastly different and trying to pigeonhole all chord progressions into this general sense is not very useful.
– Dom♦
3 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
haha, you caught it :). but I really think it is though. to give you an example, yesterday I played something that I've been playing since I was about 8 years old on the piano, I never knew what it was. it was just some jingle I always had in my head. Turns out, it was the circle of fifths progression. not just that, but today I stumbled upon the lead sheet for 'all the things you are' which is a jazz standard that is also based on the circle. then I found out that 'autumn leaves' also based on the circle. and pretty much every pop song I find forms arcs on the circle.
– foreyez
3 hours ago
And dare I say it - the theme tune for 'Coronation Street' (a U.K. soap, so it's heard several times a night) contains that same sequence...
– Tim
3 hours ago
1
@foreyez ...except when it isn't by desc 5ths, like the tritone sub, modal jazz, Giant Steps, etc. roots by fifth is a harmonic essential, but don't overlook the other harmony essentials!
– Michael Curtis
3 hours ago
@MichaelCurtis not overlooking but I just asked what happens over 51% of the time. according to that diagram and the many songs I played it looks like fifths.
– foreyez
3 hours ago
2
@foreyez you'll probably never be happy with any answers if you are trying to quantify it like "what happens over 51% of the time". Based on your style and your goal what is expected and what happens is vastly different and trying to pigeonhole all chord progressions into this general sense is not very useful.
– Dom♦
3 hours ago
haha, you caught it :). but I really think it is though. to give you an example, yesterday I played something that I've been playing since I was about 8 years old on the piano, I never knew what it was. it was just some jingle I always had in my head. Turns out, it was the circle of fifths progression. not just that, but today I stumbled upon the lead sheet for 'all the things you are' which is a jazz standard that is also based on the circle. then I found out that 'autumn leaves' also based on the circle. and pretty much every pop song I find forms arcs on the circle.
– foreyez
3 hours ago
haha, you caught it :). but I really think it is though. to give you an example, yesterday I played something that I've been playing since I was about 8 years old on the piano, I never knew what it was. it was just some jingle I always had in my head. Turns out, it was the circle of fifths progression. not just that, but today I stumbled upon the lead sheet for 'all the things you are' which is a jazz standard that is also based on the circle. then I found out that 'autumn leaves' also based on the circle. and pretty much every pop song I find forms arcs on the circle.
– foreyez
3 hours ago
And dare I say it - the theme tune for 'Coronation Street' (a U.K. soap, so it's heard several times a night) contains that same sequence...
– Tim
3 hours ago
And dare I say it - the theme tune for 'Coronation Street' (a U.K. soap, so it's heard several times a night) contains that same sequence...
– Tim
3 hours ago
1
1
@foreyez ...except when it isn't by desc 5ths, like the tritone sub, modal jazz, Giant Steps, etc. roots by fifth is a harmonic essential, but don't overlook the other harmony essentials!
– Michael Curtis
3 hours ago
@foreyez ...except when it isn't by desc 5ths, like the tritone sub, modal jazz, Giant Steps, etc. roots by fifth is a harmonic essential, but don't overlook the other harmony essentials!
– Michael Curtis
3 hours ago
@MichaelCurtis not overlooking but I just asked what happens over 51% of the time. according to that diagram and the many songs I played it looks like fifths.
– foreyez
3 hours ago
@MichaelCurtis not overlooking but I just asked what happens over 51% of the time. according to that diagram and the many songs I played it looks like fifths.
– foreyez
3 hours ago
2
2
@foreyez you'll probably never be happy with any answers if you are trying to quantify it like "what happens over 51% of the time". Based on your style and your goal what is expected and what happens is vastly different and trying to pigeonhole all chord progressions into this general sense is not very useful.
– Dom♦
3 hours ago
@foreyez you'll probably never be happy with any answers if you are trying to quantify it like "what happens over 51% of the time". Based on your style and your goal what is expected and what happens is vastly different and trying to pigeonhole all chord progressions into this general sense is not very useful.
– Dom♦
3 hours ago
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