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I'm taking my first course on analysis. I came across this theorem and I wonder whether this proof that I have written is correct. In case it is incorrect, please point out the mistakes I have made.
Here is the written proof:
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I'm taking my first course on analysis. I came across this theorem and I wonder whether this proof that I have written is correct. In case it is incorrect, please point out the mistakes I have made.
Here is the written proof:
real-analysis analysis proof-writing
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What is k in the second to last line (for all n greater than k...)? Also, can you explain the definition of S'? The notation is a bit confusing.
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– FelixMP
Mar 12 at 19:34
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@FélixMorenoPeñarrubia k is a natural number. Perhaps that and S' would be better understood if we follow the definition of a subsequence. I've used exactly the definition but in terms of a set because, personally, I find the concept of subsequences much easier to grasp in those terms.
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– Shivam Baurai
Mar 13 at 12:44
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I meant to ask what does k represent. You use a variable named "k" in the previous line when you state the definition of convergence of a subsequence, but I see no relationship with the "for all n greater than k" statement in the second-to-last line. I can't understand either what roles do the sets S and S' play in that step. I would recommend to rewrite and clarify the second part of the proof, as it is currently not understandable.
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– FelixMP
Mar 13 at 15:36
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Well, let's see, X', the subsequence of X, is also a sequence and will thus have the same definition of convergence as sequences. Now, in that definition, we talk about the terms of (x¬n) after a certain m (we say "for all n ≥ m”). Similarly for subsequence X', the definition would hold for all nk ≥ m, which is similar to saying k ≥ m, because we know nk ≥ k for all k.
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– Shivam Baurai
Mar 13 at 17:38
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As for the set notation, as I said, it helps ME, especially in being convinced about making the ‘transition’ from xnk to xn(which we can do because as S' is a subset of S, so xnk belongs to X and is also of the form xn), that we make in the second last line of the proof. As for the problem you have with n ≥ k, this comes because I want to say n ≥ m, and since k ≥ m, n ≥ k works just fine.
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– Shivam Baurai
Mar 13 at 17:38
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I'm taking my first course on analysis. I came across this theorem and I wonder whether this proof that I have written is correct. In case it is incorrect, please point out the mistakes I have made.
Here is the written proof:
real-analysis analysis proof-writing
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I'm taking my first course on analysis. I came across this theorem and I wonder whether this proof that I have written is correct. In case it is incorrect, please point out the mistakes I have made.
Here is the written proof:
real-analysis analysis proof-writing
real-analysis analysis proof-writing
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What is k in the second to last line (for all n greater than k...)? Also, can you explain the definition of S'? The notation is a bit confusing.
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– FelixMP
Mar 12 at 19:34
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@FélixMorenoPeñarrubia k is a natural number. Perhaps that and S' would be better understood if we follow the definition of a subsequence. I've used exactly the definition but in terms of a set because, personally, I find the concept of subsequences much easier to grasp in those terms.
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– Shivam Baurai
Mar 13 at 12:44
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I meant to ask what does k represent. You use a variable named "k" in the previous line when you state the definition of convergence of a subsequence, but I see no relationship with the "for all n greater than k" statement in the second-to-last line. I can't understand either what roles do the sets S and S' play in that step. I would recommend to rewrite and clarify the second part of the proof, as it is currently not understandable.
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– FelixMP
Mar 13 at 15:36
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Well, let's see, X', the subsequence of X, is also a sequence and will thus have the same definition of convergence as sequences. Now, in that definition, we talk about the terms of (x¬n) after a certain m (we say "for all n ≥ m”). Similarly for subsequence X', the definition would hold for all nk ≥ m, which is similar to saying k ≥ m, because we know nk ≥ k for all k.
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– Shivam Baurai
Mar 13 at 17:38
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As for the set notation, as I said, it helps ME, especially in being convinced about making the ‘transition’ from xnk to xn(which we can do because as S' is a subset of S, so xnk belongs to X and is also of the form xn), that we make in the second last line of the proof. As for the problem you have with n ≥ k, this comes because I want to say n ≥ m, and since k ≥ m, n ≥ k works just fine.
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– Shivam Baurai
Mar 13 at 17:38
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show 1 more comment
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What is k in the second to last line (for all n greater than k...)? Also, can you explain the definition of S'? The notation is a bit confusing.
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– FelixMP
Mar 12 at 19:34
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@FélixMorenoPeñarrubia k is a natural number. Perhaps that and S' would be better understood if we follow the definition of a subsequence. I've used exactly the definition but in terms of a set because, personally, I find the concept of subsequences much easier to grasp in those terms.
$endgroup$
– Shivam Baurai
Mar 13 at 12:44
$begingroup$
I meant to ask what does k represent. You use a variable named "k" in the previous line when you state the definition of convergence of a subsequence, but I see no relationship with the "for all n greater than k" statement in the second-to-last line. I can't understand either what roles do the sets S and S' play in that step. I would recommend to rewrite and clarify the second part of the proof, as it is currently not understandable.
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– FelixMP
Mar 13 at 15:36
$begingroup$
Well, let's see, X', the subsequence of X, is also a sequence and will thus have the same definition of convergence as sequences. Now, in that definition, we talk about the terms of (x¬n) after a certain m (we say "for all n ≥ m”). Similarly for subsequence X', the definition would hold for all nk ≥ m, which is similar to saying k ≥ m, because we know nk ≥ k for all k.
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– Shivam Baurai
Mar 13 at 17:38
$begingroup$
As for the set notation, as I said, it helps ME, especially in being convinced about making the ‘transition’ from xnk to xn(which we can do because as S' is a subset of S, so xnk belongs to X and is also of the form xn), that we make in the second last line of the proof. As for the problem you have with n ≥ k, this comes because I want to say n ≥ m, and since k ≥ m, n ≥ k works just fine.
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– Shivam Baurai
Mar 13 at 17:38
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What is k in the second to last line (for all n greater than k...)? Also, can you explain the definition of S'? The notation is a bit confusing.
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– FelixMP
Mar 12 at 19:34
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What is k in the second to last line (for all n greater than k...)? Also, can you explain the definition of S'? The notation is a bit confusing.
$endgroup$
– FelixMP
Mar 12 at 19:34
$begingroup$
@FélixMorenoPeñarrubia k is a natural number. Perhaps that and S' would be better understood if we follow the definition of a subsequence. I've used exactly the definition but in terms of a set because, personally, I find the concept of subsequences much easier to grasp in those terms.
$endgroup$
– Shivam Baurai
Mar 13 at 12:44
$begingroup$
@FélixMorenoPeñarrubia k is a natural number. Perhaps that and S' would be better understood if we follow the definition of a subsequence. I've used exactly the definition but in terms of a set because, personally, I find the concept of subsequences much easier to grasp in those terms.
$endgroup$
– Shivam Baurai
Mar 13 at 12:44
$begingroup$
I meant to ask what does k represent. You use a variable named "k" in the previous line when you state the definition of convergence of a subsequence, but I see no relationship with the "for all n greater than k" statement in the second-to-last line. I can't understand either what roles do the sets S and S' play in that step. I would recommend to rewrite and clarify the second part of the proof, as it is currently not understandable.
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– FelixMP
Mar 13 at 15:36
$begingroup$
I meant to ask what does k represent. You use a variable named "k" in the previous line when you state the definition of convergence of a subsequence, but I see no relationship with the "for all n greater than k" statement in the second-to-last line. I can't understand either what roles do the sets S and S' play in that step. I would recommend to rewrite and clarify the second part of the proof, as it is currently not understandable.
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– FelixMP
Mar 13 at 15:36
$begingroup$
Well, let's see, X', the subsequence of X, is also a sequence and will thus have the same definition of convergence as sequences. Now, in that definition, we talk about the terms of (x¬n) after a certain m (we say "for all n ≥ m”). Similarly for subsequence X', the definition would hold for all nk ≥ m, which is similar to saying k ≥ m, because we know nk ≥ k for all k.
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– Shivam Baurai
Mar 13 at 17:38
$begingroup$
Well, let's see, X', the subsequence of X, is also a sequence and will thus have the same definition of convergence as sequences. Now, in that definition, we talk about the terms of (x¬n) after a certain m (we say "for all n ≥ m”). Similarly for subsequence X', the definition would hold for all nk ≥ m, which is similar to saying k ≥ m, because we know nk ≥ k for all k.
$endgroup$
– Shivam Baurai
Mar 13 at 17:38
$begingroup$
As for the set notation, as I said, it helps ME, especially in being convinced about making the ‘transition’ from xnk to xn(which we can do because as S' is a subset of S, so xnk belongs to X and is also of the form xn), that we make in the second last line of the proof. As for the problem you have with n ≥ k, this comes because I want to say n ≥ m, and since k ≥ m, n ≥ k works just fine.
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– Shivam Baurai
Mar 13 at 17:38
$begingroup$
As for the set notation, as I said, it helps ME, especially in being convinced about making the ‘transition’ from xnk to xn(which we can do because as S' is a subset of S, so xnk belongs to X and is also of the form xn), that we make in the second last line of the proof. As for the problem you have with n ≥ k, this comes because I want to say n ≥ m, and since k ≥ m, n ≥ k works just fine.
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Mar 13 at 17:38
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What is k in the second to last line (for all n greater than k...)? Also, can you explain the definition of S'? The notation is a bit confusing.
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– FelixMP
Mar 12 at 19:34
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@FélixMorenoPeñarrubia k is a natural number. Perhaps that and S' would be better understood if we follow the definition of a subsequence. I've used exactly the definition but in terms of a set because, personally, I find the concept of subsequences much easier to grasp in those terms.
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– Shivam Baurai
Mar 13 at 12:44
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I meant to ask what does k represent. You use a variable named "k" in the previous line when you state the definition of convergence of a subsequence, but I see no relationship with the "for all n greater than k" statement in the second-to-last line. I can't understand either what roles do the sets S and S' play in that step. I would recommend to rewrite and clarify the second part of the proof, as it is currently not understandable.
$endgroup$
– FelixMP
Mar 13 at 15:36
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Well, let's see, X', the subsequence of X, is also a sequence and will thus have the same definition of convergence as sequences. Now, in that definition, we talk about the terms of (x¬n) after a certain m (we say "for all n ≥ m”). Similarly for subsequence X', the definition would hold for all nk ≥ m, which is similar to saying k ≥ m, because we know nk ≥ k for all k.
$endgroup$
– Shivam Baurai
Mar 13 at 17:38
$begingroup$
As for the set notation, as I said, it helps ME, especially in being convinced about making the ‘transition’ from xnk to xn(which we can do because as S' is a subset of S, so xnk belongs to X and is also of the form xn), that we make in the second last line of the proof. As for the problem you have with n ≥ k, this comes because I want to say n ≥ m, and since k ≥ m, n ≥ k works just fine.
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– Shivam Baurai
Mar 13 at 17:38