Center of the Quaternions: Proof and MethodCenter of quaternion fieldProve that G and G' are isomorphic.Let...
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Center of the Quaternions: Proof and Method
Center of quaternion fieldProve that G and G' are isomorphic.Let $G$ denote an arbitrary group. Prove: The center of any group $G$ is a normal subgroup of $G$Simple example of a Heuristic proof methodIs this assumption in the linear span equality proof valid?Quaternions are not ring-isomorphic to 2x2 real matricesProof by Contradiction Method involving IntervalsLet $I=(2,1+sqrt{-5}), J=(3,1-sqrt{-5}) trianglelefteq mathbb{Z}[sqrt{-5}]$, show $IJ=(1-sqrt{-5})$Is there a proof by “reverse construction”?Inverse and neutral element of $G(circ)$ where $G= { f:x rightarrow y = frac{ax+b}{cx+d}, a,b,c,d in mathbb{R} ad-bc=1 }$Is it true that $mathbb{Z}[sqrt{-3}] + mathbb{Z}[sqrt{-5}]$ not a ring?
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I have to calculate the center of the real quaternions, $mathbb{H}$.
So, I assumed two real quaternions, $q_n=a_n+b_ni+c_nj+d_nk$ and computed their products. I assume since we are dealing with rings, that to check was to check their commutative product under multiplication. So i'm looking at $q_1q_2=q_2q_1$. When I do this, I find that clearly the constant terms are identical, so it is clear that the subset $mathbb{R}$ is in the center. So, perhaps then that $mathbb{C}lemathbb{H}$. However i ended up, after direct calculation with the following system;
$$c_1d_2=c_2d_1$$
$$b_1d_2=b_2d_1$$
$$b_1c_2=b_2c_1$$
So the determination is then found by solving this system. Intuitively, I felt that this lead to $0$'s everywhere and thus the center of $mathbb{H}$, $Z(mathbb{H})=mathbb{R}$. I then checked online for some confirmation and indeed it seemed to validate my result. However, the proof method used is something I haven't seen. It was pretty straight forward and understandable, but again, I've never seen it. It goes like this;
Suppose $b_1,c_1,$ and $d_1$ are arbitrary real coefficients and $b_2, c_2,$ and $d_2$ are fixed. Considering the first equation, assume that $d_1=1$ (since it is arbitrary, it's value can be any real...). This leads to
$$c_1=frac{c_2}{d_2}$$
And that this is a contradiction, since $c_1$ is no longer arbitrary (it depends on $c_2$ and $d_2$)
I really like this proof method, although it is unfamiliar to me. I said earlier that for my own understanding, it seemed intuitively obvious, but that is obviously not proof:
1) What are some other proof methods for solving this system other than the method of contradiction used below? I was struggling with this and I feel I sholnd't be.
2) What other proofs can be found in elementary undergraduate courses that use this method of "assume arbitrary stuff", and "fix some other stuff" and get a contradiction? I found this method very clean and fun, but have never seen it used (as far as I know) in any elementary undergraduate courses thus far...
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I have to calculate the center of the real quaternions, $mathbb{H}$.
So, I assumed two real quaternions, $q_n=a_n+b_ni+c_nj+d_nk$ and computed their products. I assume since we are dealing with rings, that to check was to check their commutative product under multiplication. So i'm looking at $q_1q_2=q_2q_1$. When I do this, I find that clearly the constant terms are identical, so it is clear that the subset $mathbb{R}$ is in the center. So, perhaps then that $mathbb{C}lemathbb{H}$. However i ended up, after direct calculation with the following system;
$$c_1d_2=c_2d_1$$
$$b_1d_2=b_2d_1$$
$$b_1c_2=b_2c_1$$
So the determination is then found by solving this system. Intuitively, I felt that this lead to $0$'s everywhere and thus the center of $mathbb{H}$, $Z(mathbb{H})=mathbb{R}$. I then checked online for some confirmation and indeed it seemed to validate my result. However, the proof method used is something I haven't seen. It was pretty straight forward and understandable, but again, I've never seen it. It goes like this;
Suppose $b_1,c_1,$ and $d_1$ are arbitrary real coefficients and $b_2, c_2,$ and $d_2$ are fixed. Considering the first equation, assume that $d_1=1$ (since it is arbitrary, it's value can be any real...). This leads to
$$c_1=frac{c_2}{d_2}$$
And that this is a contradiction, since $c_1$ is no longer arbitrary (it depends on $c_2$ and $d_2$)
I really like this proof method, although it is unfamiliar to me. I said earlier that for my own understanding, it seemed intuitively obvious, but that is obviously not proof:
1) What are some other proof methods for solving this system other than the method of contradiction used below? I was struggling with this and I feel I sholnd't be.
2) What other proofs can be found in elementary undergraduate courses that use this method of "assume arbitrary stuff", and "fix some other stuff" and get a contradiction? I found this method very clean and fun, but have never seen it used (as far as I know) in any elementary undergraduate courses thus far...
abstract-algebra ring-theory proof-writing proof-explanation
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It doesn't appear to me that you have proven that $Z(mathbb H)=mathbb R$; it may help to actually write down the complete proof you have in mind.
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– pre-kidney
Jan 1 '16 at 6:44
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I have to calculate the center of the real quaternions, $mathbb{H}$.
So, I assumed two real quaternions, $q_n=a_n+b_ni+c_nj+d_nk$ and computed their products. I assume since we are dealing with rings, that to check was to check their commutative product under multiplication. So i'm looking at $q_1q_2=q_2q_1$. When I do this, I find that clearly the constant terms are identical, so it is clear that the subset $mathbb{R}$ is in the center. So, perhaps then that $mathbb{C}lemathbb{H}$. However i ended up, after direct calculation with the following system;
$$c_1d_2=c_2d_1$$
$$b_1d_2=b_2d_1$$
$$b_1c_2=b_2c_1$$
So the determination is then found by solving this system. Intuitively, I felt that this lead to $0$'s everywhere and thus the center of $mathbb{H}$, $Z(mathbb{H})=mathbb{R}$. I then checked online for some confirmation and indeed it seemed to validate my result. However, the proof method used is something I haven't seen. It was pretty straight forward and understandable, but again, I've never seen it. It goes like this;
Suppose $b_1,c_1,$ and $d_1$ are arbitrary real coefficients and $b_2, c_2,$ and $d_2$ are fixed. Considering the first equation, assume that $d_1=1$ (since it is arbitrary, it's value can be any real...). This leads to
$$c_1=frac{c_2}{d_2}$$
And that this is a contradiction, since $c_1$ is no longer arbitrary (it depends on $c_2$ and $d_2$)
I really like this proof method, although it is unfamiliar to me. I said earlier that for my own understanding, it seemed intuitively obvious, but that is obviously not proof:
1) What are some other proof methods for solving this system other than the method of contradiction used below? I was struggling with this and I feel I sholnd't be.
2) What other proofs can be found in elementary undergraduate courses that use this method of "assume arbitrary stuff", and "fix some other stuff" and get a contradiction? I found this method very clean and fun, but have never seen it used (as far as I know) in any elementary undergraduate courses thus far...
abstract-algebra ring-theory proof-writing proof-explanation
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I have to calculate the center of the real quaternions, $mathbb{H}$.
So, I assumed two real quaternions, $q_n=a_n+b_ni+c_nj+d_nk$ and computed their products. I assume since we are dealing with rings, that to check was to check their commutative product under multiplication. So i'm looking at $q_1q_2=q_2q_1$. When I do this, I find that clearly the constant terms are identical, so it is clear that the subset $mathbb{R}$ is in the center. So, perhaps then that $mathbb{C}lemathbb{H}$. However i ended up, after direct calculation with the following system;
$$c_1d_2=c_2d_1$$
$$b_1d_2=b_2d_1$$
$$b_1c_2=b_2c_1$$
So the determination is then found by solving this system. Intuitively, I felt that this lead to $0$'s everywhere and thus the center of $mathbb{H}$, $Z(mathbb{H})=mathbb{R}$. I then checked online for some confirmation and indeed it seemed to validate my result. However, the proof method used is something I haven't seen. It was pretty straight forward and understandable, but again, I've never seen it. It goes like this;
Suppose $b_1,c_1,$ and $d_1$ are arbitrary real coefficients and $b_2, c_2,$ and $d_2$ are fixed. Considering the first equation, assume that $d_1=1$ (since it is arbitrary, it's value can be any real...). This leads to
$$c_1=frac{c_2}{d_2}$$
And that this is a contradiction, since $c_1$ is no longer arbitrary (it depends on $c_2$ and $d_2$)
I really like this proof method, although it is unfamiliar to me. I said earlier that for my own understanding, it seemed intuitively obvious, but that is obviously not proof:
1) What are some other proof methods for solving this system other than the method of contradiction used below? I was struggling with this and I feel I sholnd't be.
2) What other proofs can be found in elementary undergraduate courses that use this method of "assume arbitrary stuff", and "fix some other stuff" and get a contradiction? I found this method very clean and fun, but have never seen it used (as far as I know) in any elementary undergraduate courses thus far...
abstract-algebra ring-theory proof-writing proof-explanation
abstract-algebra ring-theory proof-writing proof-explanation
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It doesn't appear to me that you have proven that $Z(mathbb H)=mathbb R$; it may help to actually write down the complete proof you have in mind.
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– pre-kidney
Jan 1 '16 at 6:44
add a comment |
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It doesn't appear to me that you have proven that $Z(mathbb H)=mathbb R$; it may help to actually write down the complete proof you have in mind.
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– pre-kidney
Jan 1 '16 at 6:44
$begingroup$
It doesn't appear to me that you have proven that $Z(mathbb H)=mathbb R$; it may help to actually write down the complete proof you have in mind.
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– pre-kidney
Jan 1 '16 at 6:44
$begingroup$
It doesn't appear to me that you have proven that $Z(mathbb H)=mathbb R$; it may help to actually write down the complete proof you have in mind.
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I am not sure where the contradiction lies exactly in your proof by contradiction. But here is another method.
An element $xin mathbb H$ belongs to the center if and only if $[x,y]=0$ for all $yin mathbb H$, where $[x,y]=xy-yx$ denotes the commutator of two elements.
We see immediately that $[x,1]=0$, whereas if $x=a+bi+cj+dk$ we have
$$
[x,i]=-2ck+2dj.
$$
Thus $[x,i]=0$ if and only if $c=d=0$. Similarly $[x,j]=0$ if and only if $b=d=0$. Thus the only elements $x$ which commute with both $i$ and $j$ are $xin mathbb R$; in particular, it follows that $Z(mathbb H)subset mathbb R$. Since it is clear that $mathbb Rsubset Z(mathbb H)$, the result follows.
Idea behind the proof: There are three special copies of the complex numbers sitting inside $mathbb H$: the subspaces
$$
mathbb C_i=mathbb R[i],qquad mathbb C_j=mathbb R[j],qquad mathbb C_k=mathbb R[k].
$$
Over $mathbb H$, all of these subspaces are their own centers: $Z_{mathbb H}(mathbb C_i)=mathbb C_i$ and so forth. Since $$mathbb H=mathbb C_i+ mathbb C_j+ mathbb C_k,$$
it follows that $Z(mathbb H)=Z(mathbb C_i)cap Z(mathbb C_j)cap Z(mathbb C_k)=mathbb R$.
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The proof i alluded to is here. Thank you for your solution here.
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– Iceman
Jan 1 '16 at 14:48
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Thanks for the helpful feedback
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Jan 2 '16 at 1:03
add a comment |
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If $a+bi+cj+dk$ is in center, then it should commute with generators
$$i,j,k,mbox{ and reals}.$$
For example, see what do we get for $(a+bi+cj+dk).i=i.(a+bi+cj+dk)$?
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such products are easier to compute and compare, than computation of arbitrary two quaternions
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– p Groups
Jan 1 '16 at 6:43
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It's a good idea
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– Learnmore
Jan 1 '16 at 7:39
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I am not sure where the contradiction lies exactly in your proof by contradiction. But here is another method.
An element $xin mathbb H$ belongs to the center if and only if $[x,y]=0$ for all $yin mathbb H$, where $[x,y]=xy-yx$ denotes the commutator of two elements.
We see immediately that $[x,1]=0$, whereas if $x=a+bi+cj+dk$ we have
$$
[x,i]=-2ck+2dj.
$$
Thus $[x,i]=0$ if and only if $c=d=0$. Similarly $[x,j]=0$ if and only if $b=d=0$. Thus the only elements $x$ which commute with both $i$ and $j$ are $xin mathbb R$; in particular, it follows that $Z(mathbb H)subset mathbb R$. Since it is clear that $mathbb Rsubset Z(mathbb H)$, the result follows.
Idea behind the proof: There are three special copies of the complex numbers sitting inside $mathbb H$: the subspaces
$$
mathbb C_i=mathbb R[i],qquad mathbb C_j=mathbb R[j],qquad mathbb C_k=mathbb R[k].
$$
Over $mathbb H$, all of these subspaces are their own centers: $Z_{mathbb H}(mathbb C_i)=mathbb C_i$ and so forth. Since $$mathbb H=mathbb C_i+ mathbb C_j+ mathbb C_k,$$
it follows that $Z(mathbb H)=Z(mathbb C_i)cap Z(mathbb C_j)cap Z(mathbb C_k)=mathbb R$.
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The proof i alluded to is here. Thank you for your solution here.
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– Iceman
Jan 1 '16 at 14:48
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Thanks for the helpful feedback
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– pre-kidney
Jan 2 '16 at 1:03
add a comment |
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I am not sure where the contradiction lies exactly in your proof by contradiction. But here is another method.
An element $xin mathbb H$ belongs to the center if and only if $[x,y]=0$ for all $yin mathbb H$, where $[x,y]=xy-yx$ denotes the commutator of two elements.
We see immediately that $[x,1]=0$, whereas if $x=a+bi+cj+dk$ we have
$$
[x,i]=-2ck+2dj.
$$
Thus $[x,i]=0$ if and only if $c=d=0$. Similarly $[x,j]=0$ if and only if $b=d=0$. Thus the only elements $x$ which commute with both $i$ and $j$ are $xin mathbb R$; in particular, it follows that $Z(mathbb H)subset mathbb R$. Since it is clear that $mathbb Rsubset Z(mathbb H)$, the result follows.
Idea behind the proof: There are three special copies of the complex numbers sitting inside $mathbb H$: the subspaces
$$
mathbb C_i=mathbb R[i],qquad mathbb C_j=mathbb R[j],qquad mathbb C_k=mathbb R[k].
$$
Over $mathbb H$, all of these subspaces are their own centers: $Z_{mathbb H}(mathbb C_i)=mathbb C_i$ and so forth. Since $$mathbb H=mathbb C_i+ mathbb C_j+ mathbb C_k,$$
it follows that $Z(mathbb H)=Z(mathbb C_i)cap Z(mathbb C_j)cap Z(mathbb C_k)=mathbb R$.
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The proof i alluded to is here. Thank you for your solution here.
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– Iceman
Jan 1 '16 at 14:48
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Thanks for the helpful feedback
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– pre-kidney
Jan 2 '16 at 1:03
add a comment |
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I am not sure where the contradiction lies exactly in your proof by contradiction. But here is another method.
An element $xin mathbb H$ belongs to the center if and only if $[x,y]=0$ for all $yin mathbb H$, where $[x,y]=xy-yx$ denotes the commutator of two elements.
We see immediately that $[x,1]=0$, whereas if $x=a+bi+cj+dk$ we have
$$
[x,i]=-2ck+2dj.
$$
Thus $[x,i]=0$ if and only if $c=d=0$. Similarly $[x,j]=0$ if and only if $b=d=0$. Thus the only elements $x$ which commute with both $i$ and $j$ are $xin mathbb R$; in particular, it follows that $Z(mathbb H)subset mathbb R$. Since it is clear that $mathbb Rsubset Z(mathbb H)$, the result follows.
Idea behind the proof: There are three special copies of the complex numbers sitting inside $mathbb H$: the subspaces
$$
mathbb C_i=mathbb R[i],qquad mathbb C_j=mathbb R[j],qquad mathbb C_k=mathbb R[k].
$$
Over $mathbb H$, all of these subspaces are their own centers: $Z_{mathbb H}(mathbb C_i)=mathbb C_i$ and so forth. Since $$mathbb H=mathbb C_i+ mathbb C_j+ mathbb C_k,$$
it follows that $Z(mathbb H)=Z(mathbb C_i)cap Z(mathbb C_j)cap Z(mathbb C_k)=mathbb R$.
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I am not sure where the contradiction lies exactly in your proof by contradiction. But here is another method.
An element $xin mathbb H$ belongs to the center if and only if $[x,y]=0$ for all $yin mathbb H$, where $[x,y]=xy-yx$ denotes the commutator of two elements.
We see immediately that $[x,1]=0$, whereas if $x=a+bi+cj+dk$ we have
$$
[x,i]=-2ck+2dj.
$$
Thus $[x,i]=0$ if and only if $c=d=0$. Similarly $[x,j]=0$ if and only if $b=d=0$. Thus the only elements $x$ which commute with both $i$ and $j$ are $xin mathbb R$; in particular, it follows that $Z(mathbb H)subset mathbb R$. Since it is clear that $mathbb Rsubset Z(mathbb H)$, the result follows.
Idea behind the proof: There are three special copies of the complex numbers sitting inside $mathbb H$: the subspaces
$$
mathbb C_i=mathbb R[i],qquad mathbb C_j=mathbb R[j],qquad mathbb C_k=mathbb R[k].
$$
Over $mathbb H$, all of these subspaces are their own centers: $Z_{mathbb H}(mathbb C_i)=mathbb C_i$ and so forth. Since $$mathbb H=mathbb C_i+ mathbb C_j+ mathbb C_k,$$
it follows that $Z(mathbb H)=Z(mathbb C_i)cap Z(mathbb C_j)cap Z(mathbb C_k)=mathbb R$.
edited Jan 2 '16 at 2:10
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The proof i alluded to is here. Thank you for your solution here.
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– Iceman
Jan 1 '16 at 14:48
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Thanks for the helpful feedback
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Jan 2 '16 at 1:03
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The proof i alluded to is here. Thank you for your solution here.
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– Iceman
Jan 1 '16 at 14:48
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Thanks for the helpful feedback
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– pre-kidney
Jan 2 '16 at 1:03
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The proof i alluded to is here. Thank you for your solution here.
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– Iceman
Jan 1 '16 at 14:48
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The proof i alluded to is here. Thank you for your solution here.
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– Iceman
Jan 1 '16 at 14:48
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Thanks for the helpful feedback
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Jan 2 '16 at 1:03
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Thanks for the helpful feedback
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If $a+bi+cj+dk$ is in center, then it should commute with generators
$$i,j,k,mbox{ and reals}.$$
For example, see what do we get for $(a+bi+cj+dk).i=i.(a+bi+cj+dk)$?
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such products are easier to compute and compare, than computation of arbitrary two quaternions
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– p Groups
Jan 1 '16 at 6:43
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It's a good idea
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– Learnmore
Jan 1 '16 at 7:39
add a comment |
$begingroup$
If $a+bi+cj+dk$ is in center, then it should commute with generators
$$i,j,k,mbox{ and reals}.$$
For example, see what do we get for $(a+bi+cj+dk).i=i.(a+bi+cj+dk)$?
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
such products are easier to compute and compare, than computation of arbitrary two quaternions
$endgroup$
– p Groups
Jan 1 '16 at 6:43
$begingroup$
It's a good idea
$endgroup$
– Learnmore
Jan 1 '16 at 7:39
add a comment |
$begingroup$
If $a+bi+cj+dk$ is in center, then it should commute with generators
$$i,j,k,mbox{ and reals}.$$
For example, see what do we get for $(a+bi+cj+dk).i=i.(a+bi+cj+dk)$?
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If $a+bi+cj+dk$ is in center, then it should commute with generators
$$i,j,k,mbox{ and reals}.$$
For example, see what do we get for $(a+bi+cj+dk).i=i.(a+bi+cj+dk)$?
answered Jan 1 '16 at 6:40
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such products are easier to compute and compare, than computation of arbitrary two quaternions
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– p Groups
Jan 1 '16 at 6:43
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It's a good idea
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– Learnmore
Jan 1 '16 at 7:39
add a comment |
$begingroup$
such products are easier to compute and compare, than computation of arbitrary two quaternions
$endgroup$
– p Groups
Jan 1 '16 at 6:43
$begingroup$
It's a good idea
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– Learnmore
Jan 1 '16 at 7:39
$begingroup$
such products are easier to compute and compare, than computation of arbitrary two quaternions
$endgroup$
– p Groups
Jan 1 '16 at 6:43
$begingroup$
such products are easier to compute and compare, than computation of arbitrary two quaternions
$endgroup$
– p Groups
Jan 1 '16 at 6:43
$begingroup$
It's a good idea
$endgroup$
– Learnmore
Jan 1 '16 at 7:39
$begingroup$
It's a good idea
$endgroup$
– Learnmore
Jan 1 '16 at 7:39
add a comment |
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$begingroup$
It doesn't appear to me that you have proven that $Z(mathbb H)=mathbb R$; it may help to actually write down the complete proof you have in mind.
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– pre-kidney
Jan 1 '16 at 6:44