Two number fields with isomorphic Galois groups but different Galois closure of their maximal real...

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Two number fields with isomorphic Galois groups but different Galois closure of their maximal real subfields


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$newcommandQ{mathbb Q}$Suppose $G$ is a transitive finite permutation subgroup of $S_{2n}$ having fixpoint-free involution in and outside its center. Suppose furthermore that I know that there is a (totally) imaginary Galois number field $K$ whose Galois group is isomorphic to $G$. So I also want $[K:Q]=2n$. My question is the following:



If the complex conjugation is not in the center of $operatorname{Gal}(K/Q)$ then the maximal real subfield of $K$ is not Galois. But can I find another imaginary Galois number field $L$ with Galois group isomorphic to $G$ such that the complex conjugation is in the center of $G$? Vice versa, if the maximal real subfield of $operatorname{Gal}(K/Q)$ is Galois, can I find an imaginary number field $L$ with Galois group isomorphic to $G$ such that its maximal real subfield is not Galois?










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    What is the smallest group matching your conditions?
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    Starting with degree 6 the smallest group with GAP description 6T11 matches this condition: galoisdb.math.upb.de/groups/view?deg=6&num=11.
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    – quantum
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    To be precise: two examples would be the splitting fields of $x^6 + 3x^5 + 9x^4 + 13x^3 + 14x^2 + 8x + 2$ and $x^6 - 2x^5 + 2x^4 - 2x^3 + 2x^2 - x + 1$ respectively having Galois group 6T11 and one has maximal real subfield that is Galois while the other no.
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$begingroup$


$newcommandQ{mathbb Q}$Suppose $G$ is a transitive finite permutation subgroup of $S_{2n}$ having fixpoint-free involution in and outside its center. Suppose furthermore that I know that there is a (totally) imaginary Galois number field $K$ whose Galois group is isomorphic to $G$. So I also want $[K:Q]=2n$. My question is the following:



If the complex conjugation is not in the center of $operatorname{Gal}(K/Q)$ then the maximal real subfield of $K$ is not Galois. But can I find another imaginary Galois number field $L$ with Galois group isomorphic to $G$ such that the complex conjugation is in the center of $G$? Vice versa, if the maximal real subfield of $operatorname{Gal}(K/Q)$ is Galois, can I find an imaginary number field $L$ with Galois group isomorphic to $G$ such that its maximal real subfield is not Galois?










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  • $begingroup$
    What is the smallest group matching your conditions?
    $endgroup$
    – franz lemmermeyer
    Mar 11 at 6:05










  • $begingroup$
    Starting with degree 6 the smallest group with GAP description 6T11 matches this condition: galoisdb.math.upb.de/groups/view?deg=6&num=11.
    $endgroup$
    – quantum
    19 hours ago












  • $begingroup$
    To be precise: two examples would be the splitting fields of $x^6 + 3x^5 + 9x^4 + 13x^3 + 14x^2 + 8x + 2$ and $x^6 - 2x^5 + 2x^4 - 2x^3 + 2x^2 - x + 1$ respectively having Galois group 6T11 and one has maximal real subfield that is Galois while the other no.
    $endgroup$
    – quantum
    19 hours ago
















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$begingroup$


$newcommandQ{mathbb Q}$Suppose $G$ is a transitive finite permutation subgroup of $S_{2n}$ having fixpoint-free involution in and outside its center. Suppose furthermore that I know that there is a (totally) imaginary Galois number field $K$ whose Galois group is isomorphic to $G$. So I also want $[K:Q]=2n$. My question is the following:



If the complex conjugation is not in the center of $operatorname{Gal}(K/Q)$ then the maximal real subfield of $K$ is not Galois. But can I find another imaginary Galois number field $L$ with Galois group isomorphic to $G$ such that the complex conjugation is in the center of $G$? Vice versa, if the maximal real subfield of $operatorname{Gal}(K/Q)$ is Galois, can I find an imaginary number field $L$ with Galois group isomorphic to $G$ such that its maximal real subfield is not Galois?










share|cite|improve this question











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$newcommandQ{mathbb Q}$Suppose $G$ is a transitive finite permutation subgroup of $S_{2n}$ having fixpoint-free involution in and outside its center. Suppose furthermore that I know that there is a (totally) imaginary Galois number field $K$ whose Galois group is isomorphic to $G$. So I also want $[K:Q]=2n$. My question is the following:



If the complex conjugation is not in the center of $operatorname{Gal}(K/Q)$ then the maximal real subfield of $K$ is not Galois. But can I find another imaginary Galois number field $L$ with Galois group isomorphic to $G$ such that the complex conjugation is in the center of $G$? Vice versa, if the maximal real subfield of $operatorname{Gal}(K/Q)$ is Galois, can I find an imaginary number field $L$ with Galois group isomorphic to $G$ such that its maximal real subfield is not Galois?







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  • $begingroup$
    What is the smallest group matching your conditions?
    $endgroup$
    – franz lemmermeyer
    Mar 11 at 6:05










  • $begingroup$
    Starting with degree 6 the smallest group with GAP description 6T11 matches this condition: galoisdb.math.upb.de/groups/view?deg=6&num=11.
    $endgroup$
    – quantum
    19 hours ago












  • $begingroup$
    To be precise: two examples would be the splitting fields of $x^6 + 3x^5 + 9x^4 + 13x^3 + 14x^2 + 8x + 2$ and $x^6 - 2x^5 + 2x^4 - 2x^3 + 2x^2 - x + 1$ respectively having Galois group 6T11 and one has maximal real subfield that is Galois while the other no.
    $endgroup$
    – quantum
    19 hours ago




















  • $begingroup$
    What is the smallest group matching your conditions?
    $endgroup$
    – franz lemmermeyer
    Mar 11 at 6:05










  • $begingroup$
    Starting with degree 6 the smallest group with GAP description 6T11 matches this condition: galoisdb.math.upb.de/groups/view?deg=6&num=11.
    $endgroup$
    – quantum
    19 hours ago












  • $begingroup$
    To be precise: two examples would be the splitting fields of $x^6 + 3x^5 + 9x^4 + 13x^3 + 14x^2 + 8x + 2$ and $x^6 - 2x^5 + 2x^4 - 2x^3 + 2x^2 - x + 1$ respectively having Galois group 6T11 and one has maximal real subfield that is Galois while the other no.
    $endgroup$
    – quantum
    19 hours ago


















$begingroup$
What is the smallest group matching your conditions?
$endgroup$
– franz lemmermeyer
Mar 11 at 6:05




$begingroup$
What is the smallest group matching your conditions?
$endgroup$
– franz lemmermeyer
Mar 11 at 6:05












$begingroup$
Starting with degree 6 the smallest group with GAP description 6T11 matches this condition: galoisdb.math.upb.de/groups/view?deg=6&num=11.
$endgroup$
– quantum
19 hours ago






$begingroup$
Starting with degree 6 the smallest group with GAP description 6T11 matches this condition: galoisdb.math.upb.de/groups/view?deg=6&num=11.
$endgroup$
– quantum
19 hours ago














$begingroup$
To be precise: two examples would be the splitting fields of $x^6 + 3x^5 + 9x^4 + 13x^3 + 14x^2 + 8x + 2$ and $x^6 - 2x^5 + 2x^4 - 2x^3 + 2x^2 - x + 1$ respectively having Galois group 6T11 and one has maximal real subfield that is Galois while the other no.
$endgroup$
– quantum
19 hours ago






$begingroup$
To be precise: two examples would be the splitting fields of $x^6 + 3x^5 + 9x^4 + 13x^3 + 14x^2 + 8x + 2$ and $x^6 - 2x^5 + 2x^4 - 2x^3 + 2x^2 - x + 1$ respectively having Galois group 6T11 and one has maximal real subfield that is Galois while the other no.
$endgroup$
– quantum
19 hours ago












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