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Computing the volume of a simplex-like object with constraints


pigeonhole principle Number of integer combinations x_1 < … < x_n ? Simplest form for sum of Binomial ExpressionsModules over quantum complete intersectionsAn inequality related to Lagrange's identity and $L_p$ normA nested integral sequencePartition of 4-tuplesEvaluating a Fermi gas problem for a SO(2N+1) matrix integralTuples with same coordinate sum4-tuples with close sums













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For any $n geq 2$, let
$$D_n [r , (a_1, b_1 ) , ldots , (a_n, b_n) ] =
(x_1 , ldots , x_n ) in mathbb R^n mid
sum_i x_i = r mbox and b_i geq x_i geq a_i , forall i ,$$

where $r geq b_i geq a_i geq 0$ for all $i$, and all are real numbers.




Question: What is the 'volume' of $D_n [r , (a_1, b_1 ) , ldots , (a_n, b_n) ]$?




So for example for $n=2$, this set is either empty or it is some short line, and the purpose would be to calculate the length of that line (in terms of the parameters $r, a_i, b_i$). This is easy, I've done that already. Also the case $n=3$ would in principle still be doable to do by hand: it would be either zero (in case the set is empty) or part of a plane in $mathbb R^3$, the area of which we desire to compute.



Now to come up with a formula for the case $n=3$ (and higher) in a smarter way, my idea was to reason inductively from the case $n=2$, so basically reducing the three dimensional case to the two dimensional one, etc. I obviously tried to use integrals.



The problem I run into, is that in order to compute the volume we want with integrals, we have to view this set as (a subset of) an $n-1$-dimensional space. (Indeed, the integral of the constant function $1$ over the region $D_n [r , (a_1, b_1 ) , ldots , (a_n, b_n) ]$ seen as part of $mathbb R^n$ (rather than $mathbb R^n-1$), is equal to $0$. That's not what we want.) But to do that, it seems to me that we would need a concrete isometric embedding of $D_n [r , (a_1, b_1 ) , ldots , (a_n, b_n) ]$ into $mathbb R^n-1$, and I can't really find a nice one.



Do you have an idea about how to approach this problem best?



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    For any $n geq 2$, let
    $$D_n [r , (a_1, b_1 ) , ldots , (a_n, b_n) ] =
    (x_1 , ldots , x_n ) in mathbb R^n mid
    sum_i x_i = r mbox and b_i geq x_i geq a_i , forall i ,$$

    where $r geq b_i geq a_i geq 0$ for all $i$, and all are real numbers.




    Question: What is the 'volume' of $D_n [r , (a_1, b_1 ) , ldots , (a_n, b_n) ]$?




    So for example for $n=2$, this set is either empty or it is some short line, and the purpose would be to calculate the length of that line (in terms of the parameters $r, a_i, b_i$). This is easy, I've done that already. Also the case $n=3$ would in principle still be doable to do by hand: it would be either zero (in case the set is empty) or part of a plane in $mathbb R^3$, the area of which we desire to compute.



    Now to come up with a formula for the case $n=3$ (and higher) in a smarter way, my idea was to reason inductively from the case $n=2$, so basically reducing the three dimensional case to the two dimensional one, etc. I obviously tried to use integrals.



    The problem I run into, is that in order to compute the volume we want with integrals, we have to view this set as (a subset of) an $n-1$-dimensional space. (Indeed, the integral of the constant function $1$ over the region $D_n [r , (a_1, b_1 ) , ldots , (a_n, b_n) ]$ seen as part of $mathbb R^n$ (rather than $mathbb R^n-1$), is equal to $0$. That's not what we want.) But to do that, it seems to me that we would need a concrete isometric embedding of $D_n [r , (a_1, b_1 ) , ldots , (a_n, b_n) ]$ into $mathbb R^n-1$, and I can't really find a nice one.



    Do you have an idea about how to approach this problem best?



    (This question was previously posted on Math.StackExchange, see https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3135606/computing-hyper-area-of-a-contrained-simplex.)










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      For any $n geq 2$, let
      $$D_n [r , (a_1, b_1 ) , ldots , (a_n, b_n) ] =
      (x_1 , ldots , x_n ) in mathbb R^n mid
      sum_i x_i = r mbox and b_i geq x_i geq a_i , forall i ,$$

      where $r geq b_i geq a_i geq 0$ for all $i$, and all are real numbers.




      Question: What is the 'volume' of $D_n [r , (a_1, b_1 ) , ldots , (a_n, b_n) ]$?




      So for example for $n=2$, this set is either empty or it is some short line, and the purpose would be to calculate the length of that line (in terms of the parameters $r, a_i, b_i$). This is easy, I've done that already. Also the case $n=3$ would in principle still be doable to do by hand: it would be either zero (in case the set is empty) or part of a plane in $mathbb R^3$, the area of which we desire to compute.



      Now to come up with a formula for the case $n=3$ (and higher) in a smarter way, my idea was to reason inductively from the case $n=2$, so basically reducing the three dimensional case to the two dimensional one, etc. I obviously tried to use integrals.



      The problem I run into, is that in order to compute the volume we want with integrals, we have to view this set as (a subset of) an $n-1$-dimensional space. (Indeed, the integral of the constant function $1$ over the region $D_n [r , (a_1, b_1 ) , ldots , (a_n, b_n) ]$ seen as part of $mathbb R^n$ (rather than $mathbb R^n-1$), is equal to $0$. That's not what we want.) But to do that, it seems to me that we would need a concrete isometric embedding of $D_n [r , (a_1, b_1 ) , ldots , (a_n, b_n) ]$ into $mathbb R^n-1$, and I can't really find a nice one.



      Do you have an idea about how to approach this problem best?



      (This question was previously posted on Math.StackExchange, see https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3135606/computing-hyper-area-of-a-contrained-simplex.)










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      For any $n geq 2$, let
      $$D_n [r , (a_1, b_1 ) , ldots , (a_n, b_n) ] =
      (x_1 , ldots , x_n ) in mathbb R^n mid
      sum_i x_i = r mbox and b_i geq x_i geq a_i , forall i ,$$

      where $r geq b_i geq a_i geq 0$ for all $i$, and all are real numbers.




      Question: What is the 'volume' of $D_n [r , (a_1, b_1 ) , ldots , (a_n, b_n) ]$?




      So for example for $n=2$, this set is either empty or it is some short line, and the purpose would be to calculate the length of that line (in terms of the parameters $r, a_i, b_i$). This is easy, I've done that already. Also the case $n=3$ would in principle still be doable to do by hand: it would be either zero (in case the set is empty) or part of a plane in $mathbb R^3$, the area of which we desire to compute.



      Now to come up with a formula for the case $n=3$ (and higher) in a smarter way, my idea was to reason inductively from the case $n=2$, so basically reducing the three dimensional case to the two dimensional one, etc. I obviously tried to use integrals.



      The problem I run into, is that in order to compute the volume we want with integrals, we have to view this set as (a subset of) an $n-1$-dimensional space. (Indeed, the integral of the constant function $1$ over the region $D_n [r , (a_1, b_1 ) , ldots , (a_n, b_n) ]$ seen as part of $mathbb R^n$ (rather than $mathbb R^n-1$), is equal to $0$. That's not what we want.) But to do that, it seems to me that we would need a concrete isometric embedding of $D_n [r , (a_1, b_1 ) , ldots , (a_n, b_n) ]$ into $mathbb R^n-1$, and I can't really find a nice one.



      Do you have an idea about how to approach this problem best?



      (This question was previously posted on Math.StackExchange, see https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3135606/computing-hyper-area-of-a-contrained-simplex.)







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          Computing volumes of polytopes in general is NP-hard. However, your polytope is special - it is a slice of a hypercube by a hyperplane, and this is tractable, see Theorem 1 in:



          Marichal, Jean-Luc; Mossinghoff, Michael J., Slices, slabs, and sections of the unit hypercube, Online J. Anal. Comb. 3, Article 1, 11 p. (2008). ZBL1189.52011.






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            The $(n-1)$-volume of your polytope (in $mathbb R^n$) equals the $(n-1)$-volume of the polytope
            beginmultline
            P:=(x_1,dots,x_n-1)inmathbb R^n-1colon \
            a_ile x_ile b_i forall i=1,dots,n-1,\
            a_nle r-sum_1^n-1x_ile b_n
            endmultline

            (in $mathbb R^n-1$) divided by $1/sqrt n$, which latter is the cosine of the angle between the unit vectors $(1/sqrt n,dots,1/sqrt n)$ and $(0,dots,0,1)$ in $mathbb R^n$ -- because $P$ is the image of your polytope under the orthogonal projection of $mathbb R^n$ onto $mathbb R^n-1$ given by $(x_1,dots,x_n)mapsto(x_1,dots,x_n-1)$. The unit vectors $(1/sqrt n,dots,1/sqrt n)$ and $(0,dots,0,1)$ are normal vectors to, respectively, the hyperplane containing your polytope and the hyperplane $(x_1,dots,x_n)inmathbb R^ncolon x_n=0$; the latter hyperplane is identified with $mathbb R^n-1$.



            A formula for the volume of a polytope was given by Lawrence.






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              We may assume without loss of generality that $a_i=0$. If
              $r$ and each $b_i$ are positive integers, then consider
              $$ f(x) = fracleft( 1-x^tb_1+1right)cdots
              left( 1-x^tb_n+1right)(1-x)^n. $$

              The coefficient of $x^tr$ is a polynomial function of $t$,
              and the volume $V$ will be its leading coefficient. If I didn't
              make a computational error, then
              $$ V=frac1(n-1)!sum_substackSsubseteq
              1,dots,n\ sum_iin Sb_i<r (-1)^S
              left(r-sum_iin Sb_iright)^n-1. $$

              If this isn't correct, then something close to it will be.






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                Computing volumes of polytopes in general is NP-hard. However, your polytope is special - it is a slice of a hypercube by a hyperplane, and this is tractable, see Theorem 1 in:



                Marichal, Jean-Luc; Mossinghoff, Michael J., Slices, slabs, and sections of the unit hypercube, Online J. Anal. Comb. 3, Article 1, 11 p. (2008). ZBL1189.52011.






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                  Computing volumes of polytopes in general is NP-hard. However, your polytope is special - it is a slice of a hypercube by a hyperplane, and this is tractable, see Theorem 1 in:



                  Marichal, Jean-Luc; Mossinghoff, Michael J., Slices, slabs, and sections of the unit hypercube, Online J. Anal. Comb. 3, Article 1, 11 p. (2008). ZBL1189.52011.






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                    Computing volumes of polytopes in general is NP-hard. However, your polytope is special - it is a slice of a hypercube by a hyperplane, and this is tractable, see Theorem 1 in:



                    Marichal, Jean-Luc; Mossinghoff, Michael J., Slices, slabs, and sections of the unit hypercube, Online J. Anal. Comb. 3, Article 1, 11 p. (2008). ZBL1189.52011.






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                    Computing volumes of polytopes in general is NP-hard. However, your polytope is special - it is a slice of a hypercube by a hyperplane, and this is tractable, see Theorem 1 in:



                    Marichal, Jean-Luc; Mossinghoff, Michael J., Slices, slabs, and sections of the unit hypercube, Online J. Anal. Comb. 3, Article 1, 11 p. (2008). ZBL1189.52011.







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                        The $(n-1)$-volume of your polytope (in $mathbb R^n$) equals the $(n-1)$-volume of the polytope
                        beginmultline
                        P:=(x_1,dots,x_n-1)inmathbb R^n-1colon \
                        a_ile x_ile b_i forall i=1,dots,n-1,\
                        a_nle r-sum_1^n-1x_ile b_n
                        endmultline

                        (in $mathbb R^n-1$) divided by $1/sqrt n$, which latter is the cosine of the angle between the unit vectors $(1/sqrt n,dots,1/sqrt n)$ and $(0,dots,0,1)$ in $mathbb R^n$ -- because $P$ is the image of your polytope under the orthogonal projection of $mathbb R^n$ onto $mathbb R^n-1$ given by $(x_1,dots,x_n)mapsto(x_1,dots,x_n-1)$. The unit vectors $(1/sqrt n,dots,1/sqrt n)$ and $(0,dots,0,1)$ are normal vectors to, respectively, the hyperplane containing your polytope and the hyperplane $(x_1,dots,x_n)inmathbb R^ncolon x_n=0$; the latter hyperplane is identified with $mathbb R^n-1$.



                        A formula for the volume of a polytope was given by Lawrence.






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                          $begingroup$

                          The $(n-1)$-volume of your polytope (in $mathbb R^n$) equals the $(n-1)$-volume of the polytope
                          beginmultline
                          P:=(x_1,dots,x_n-1)inmathbb R^n-1colon \
                          a_ile x_ile b_i forall i=1,dots,n-1,\
                          a_nle r-sum_1^n-1x_ile b_n
                          endmultline

                          (in $mathbb R^n-1$) divided by $1/sqrt n$, which latter is the cosine of the angle between the unit vectors $(1/sqrt n,dots,1/sqrt n)$ and $(0,dots,0,1)$ in $mathbb R^n$ -- because $P$ is the image of your polytope under the orthogonal projection of $mathbb R^n$ onto $mathbb R^n-1$ given by $(x_1,dots,x_n)mapsto(x_1,dots,x_n-1)$. The unit vectors $(1/sqrt n,dots,1/sqrt n)$ and $(0,dots,0,1)$ are normal vectors to, respectively, the hyperplane containing your polytope and the hyperplane $(x_1,dots,x_n)inmathbb R^ncolon x_n=0$; the latter hyperplane is identified with $mathbb R^n-1$.



                          A formula for the volume of a polytope was given by Lawrence.






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                            The $(n-1)$-volume of your polytope (in $mathbb R^n$) equals the $(n-1)$-volume of the polytope
                            beginmultline
                            P:=(x_1,dots,x_n-1)inmathbb R^n-1colon \
                            a_ile x_ile b_i forall i=1,dots,n-1,\
                            a_nle r-sum_1^n-1x_ile b_n
                            endmultline

                            (in $mathbb R^n-1$) divided by $1/sqrt n$, which latter is the cosine of the angle between the unit vectors $(1/sqrt n,dots,1/sqrt n)$ and $(0,dots,0,1)$ in $mathbb R^n$ -- because $P$ is the image of your polytope under the orthogonal projection of $mathbb R^n$ onto $mathbb R^n-1$ given by $(x_1,dots,x_n)mapsto(x_1,dots,x_n-1)$. The unit vectors $(1/sqrt n,dots,1/sqrt n)$ and $(0,dots,0,1)$ are normal vectors to, respectively, the hyperplane containing your polytope and the hyperplane $(x_1,dots,x_n)inmathbb R^ncolon x_n=0$; the latter hyperplane is identified with $mathbb R^n-1$.



                            A formula for the volume of a polytope was given by Lawrence.






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                            The $(n-1)$-volume of your polytope (in $mathbb R^n$) equals the $(n-1)$-volume of the polytope
                            beginmultline
                            P:=(x_1,dots,x_n-1)inmathbb R^n-1colon \
                            a_ile x_ile b_i forall i=1,dots,n-1,\
                            a_nle r-sum_1^n-1x_ile b_n
                            endmultline

                            (in $mathbb R^n-1$) divided by $1/sqrt n$, which latter is the cosine of the angle between the unit vectors $(1/sqrt n,dots,1/sqrt n)$ and $(0,dots,0,1)$ in $mathbb R^n$ -- because $P$ is the image of your polytope under the orthogonal projection of $mathbb R^n$ onto $mathbb R^n-1$ given by $(x_1,dots,x_n)mapsto(x_1,dots,x_n-1)$. The unit vectors $(1/sqrt n,dots,1/sqrt n)$ and $(0,dots,0,1)$ are normal vectors to, respectively, the hyperplane containing your polytope and the hyperplane $(x_1,dots,x_n)inmathbb R^ncolon x_n=0$; the latter hyperplane is identified with $mathbb R^n-1$.



                            A formula for the volume of a polytope was given by Lawrence.







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                                $begingroup$

                                We may assume without loss of generality that $a_i=0$. If
                                $r$ and each $b_i$ are positive integers, then consider
                                $$ f(x) = fracleft( 1-x^tb_1+1right)cdots
                                left( 1-x^tb_n+1right)(1-x)^n. $$

                                The coefficient of $x^tr$ is a polynomial function of $t$,
                                and the volume $V$ will be its leading coefficient. If I didn't
                                make a computational error, then
                                $$ V=frac1(n-1)!sum_substackSsubseteq
                                1,dots,n\ sum_iin Sb_i<r (-1)^S
                                left(r-sum_iin Sb_iright)^n-1. $$

                                If this isn't correct, then something close to it will be.






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                                  $begingroup$

                                  We may assume without loss of generality that $a_i=0$. If
                                  $r$ and each $b_i$ are positive integers, then consider
                                  $$ f(x) = fracleft( 1-x^tb_1+1right)cdots
                                  left( 1-x^tb_n+1right)(1-x)^n. $$

                                  The coefficient of $x^tr$ is a polynomial function of $t$,
                                  and the volume $V$ will be its leading coefficient. If I didn't
                                  make a computational error, then
                                  $$ V=frac1(n-1)!sum_substackSsubseteq
                                  1,dots,n\ sum_iin Sb_i<r (-1)^S
                                  left(r-sum_iin Sb_iright)^n-1. $$

                                  If this isn't correct, then something close to it will be.






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                                    We may assume without loss of generality that $a_i=0$. If
                                    $r$ and each $b_i$ are positive integers, then consider
                                    $$ f(x) = fracleft( 1-x^tb_1+1right)cdots
                                    left( 1-x^tb_n+1right)(1-x)^n. $$

                                    The coefficient of $x^tr$ is a polynomial function of $t$,
                                    and the volume $V$ will be its leading coefficient. If I didn't
                                    make a computational error, then
                                    $$ V=frac1(n-1)!sum_substackSsubseteq
                                    1,dots,n\ sum_iin Sb_i<r (-1)^S
                                    left(r-sum_iin Sb_iright)^n-1. $$

                                    If this isn't correct, then something close to it will be.






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                                    We may assume without loss of generality that $a_i=0$. If
                                    $r$ and each $b_i$ are positive integers, then consider
                                    $$ f(x) = fracleft( 1-x^tb_1+1right)cdots
                                    left( 1-x^tb_n+1right)(1-x)^n. $$

                                    The coefficient of $x^tr$ is a polynomial function of $t$,
                                    and the volume $V$ will be its leading coefficient. If I didn't
                                    make a computational error, then
                                    $$ V=frac1(n-1)!sum_substackSsubseteq
                                    1,dots,n\ sum_iin Sb_i<r (-1)^S
                                    left(r-sum_iin Sb_iright)^n-1. $$

                                    If this isn't correct, then something close to it will be.







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