I have an abelian group $G$ and two cyclic subgroups of orders $p,q$, $( p,q)=1$ and I need to show I have a...

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I have an abelian group $G$ and two cyclic subgroups of orders $p,q$, $( p,q)=1$ and I need to show I have a subgroup of order $pq$.


Non-abelian $p$-group; abelian subgroups of index $p$Do finite $p$-groups have subgroups of all possible orders containing a given non-normal subgroup?Group of order $135$ abelian and not cyclicLet $G$ be an abelian group;$H$, $K$ are finite cyclic subgroups. Show that $G$ contains a cyclic subgroup of order $lcm(r, s)$.Show by Lagrange's theorem that a group $G$ of order $27$ should have a subgroup of order $3$.All groups of order 10 have a proper normal subgroupprove that non cyclic group has two cyclic subgroups of different ordersFinding cyclic subgroup generators given orders$p$-group as product of two normal cyclic subgroupsIf every proper subgroup of a finite abelian group $G$ is cyclic, then $G$ is cyclic.













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I have an abelian group $G$ and two cyclic subgroups of orders $p,q$, $( p,q)=1$ and I need to show I have a subgroup of order $pq$. Is it enough to say that, from Cauchy's theorem, there is an $ain G$ of order $pq$ and then build a cyclic subgroup with elements from the previously shown subgroups? What are the elements I should take?










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I have an abelian group $G$ and two cyclic subgroups of orders $p,q$, $( p,q)=1$ and I need to show I have a subgroup of order $pq$. Is it enough to say that, from Cauchy's theorem, there is an $ain G$ of order $pq$ and then build a cyclic subgroup with elements from the previously shown subgroups? What are the elements I should take?










share|cite|improve this question









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  • $begingroup$
    No, that is not enough, because that is not what Cauchy's theorem says.
    $endgroup$
    – Tobias Kildetoft
    Mar 15 at 7:53










  • $begingroup$
    Do you know how to form the product of two subgroups?
    $endgroup$
    – the_fox
    Mar 15 at 7:54














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I have an abelian group $G$ and two cyclic subgroups of orders $p,q$, $( p,q)=1$ and I need to show I have a subgroup of order $pq$. Is it enough to say that, from Cauchy's theorem, there is an $ain G$ of order $pq$ and then build a cyclic subgroup with elements from the previously shown subgroups? What are the elements I should take?










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I have an abelian group $G$ and two cyclic subgroups of orders $p,q$, $( p,q)=1$ and I need to show I have a subgroup of order $pq$. Is it enough to say that, from Cauchy's theorem, there is an $ain G$ of order $pq$ and then build a cyclic subgroup with elements from the previously shown subgroups? What are the elements I should take?







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  • $begingroup$
    No, that is not enough, because that is not what Cauchy's theorem says.
    $endgroup$
    – Tobias Kildetoft
    Mar 15 at 7:53










  • $begingroup$
    Do you know how to form the product of two subgroups?
    $endgroup$
    – the_fox
    Mar 15 at 7:54


















  • $begingroup$
    No, that is not enough, because that is not what Cauchy's theorem says.
    $endgroup$
    – Tobias Kildetoft
    Mar 15 at 7:53










  • $begingroup$
    Do you know how to form the product of two subgroups?
    $endgroup$
    – the_fox
    Mar 15 at 7:54
















$begingroup$
No, that is not enough, because that is not what Cauchy's theorem says.
$endgroup$
– Tobias Kildetoft
Mar 15 at 7:53




$begingroup$
No, that is not enough, because that is not what Cauchy's theorem says.
$endgroup$
– Tobias Kildetoft
Mar 15 at 7:53












$begingroup$
Do you know how to form the product of two subgroups?
$endgroup$
– the_fox
Mar 15 at 7:54




$begingroup$
Do you know how to form the product of two subgroups?
$endgroup$
– the_fox
Mar 15 at 7:54










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Hint: If $x$ has order $p$ and $y$ has order $q$, what is the order of $xy$?



In fact, we do not even need that the given subgroups are cyclic. In most textbooks (e.g. Dummit and Foote), you will find the more general proposition that if $HK = KH$ for subgroups $H,K<G$, then
$$
|HK|=frac{|H||K|}{|Hcap K|}.
$$

The conditions on $H$ and $K$ are trivially satisfied since $G$ is abelian. Also, $Hcap K$ is a subgroup of both $H$ and $K$, so its order must divide $|H|$ and $|K|$. But, when $|H|$ and $|K|$ are relatively prime, this implies $|Hcap K |=1$.



(As pointed out by @Tobias in his comment, the identity holds without the condition that $HK = KH$; the condition ensures that $HK$ is a subgroup of $G$.)






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Hint: If $x$ has order $p$ and $y$ has order $q$, what is the order of $xy$?



In fact, we do not even need that the given subgroups are cyclic. In most textbooks (e.g. Dummit and Foote), you will find the more general proposition that if $HK = KH$ for subgroups $H,K<G$, then
$$
|HK|=frac{|H||K|}{|Hcap K|}.
$$

The conditions on $H$ and $K$ are trivially satisfied since $G$ is abelian. Also, $Hcap K$ is a subgroup of both $H$ and $K$, so its order must divide $|H|$ and $|K|$. But, when $|H|$ and $|K|$ are relatively prime, this implies $|Hcap K |=1$.



(As pointed out by @Tobias in his comment, the identity holds without the condition that $HK = KH$; the condition ensures that $HK$ is a subgroup of $G$.)






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    Actually, the condition that $HK = KH$ is only needed for the product to be a subgroup. The size of the product will always be given by that formula.
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    – Tobias Kildetoft
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$begingroup$

Hint: If $x$ has order $p$ and $y$ has order $q$, what is the order of $xy$?



In fact, we do not even need that the given subgroups are cyclic. In most textbooks (e.g. Dummit and Foote), you will find the more general proposition that if $HK = KH$ for subgroups $H,K<G$, then
$$
|HK|=frac{|H||K|}{|Hcap K|}.
$$

The conditions on $H$ and $K$ are trivially satisfied since $G$ is abelian. Also, $Hcap K$ is a subgroup of both $H$ and $K$, so its order must divide $|H|$ and $|K|$. But, when $|H|$ and $|K|$ are relatively prime, this implies $|Hcap K |=1$.



(As pointed out by @Tobias in his comment, the identity holds without the condition that $HK = KH$; the condition ensures that $HK$ is a subgroup of $G$.)






share|cite|improve this answer











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    $begingroup$
    Actually, the condition that $HK = KH$ is only needed for the product to be a subgroup. The size of the product will always be given by that formula.
    $endgroup$
    – Tobias Kildetoft
    Mar 15 at 10:26














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$begingroup$

Hint: If $x$ has order $p$ and $y$ has order $q$, what is the order of $xy$?



In fact, we do not even need that the given subgroups are cyclic. In most textbooks (e.g. Dummit and Foote), you will find the more general proposition that if $HK = KH$ for subgroups $H,K<G$, then
$$
|HK|=frac{|H||K|}{|Hcap K|}.
$$

The conditions on $H$ and $K$ are trivially satisfied since $G$ is abelian. Also, $Hcap K$ is a subgroup of both $H$ and $K$, so its order must divide $|H|$ and $|K|$. But, when $|H|$ and $|K|$ are relatively prime, this implies $|Hcap K |=1$.



(As pointed out by @Tobias in his comment, the identity holds without the condition that $HK = KH$; the condition ensures that $HK$ is a subgroup of $G$.)






share|cite|improve this answer











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Hint: If $x$ has order $p$ and $y$ has order $q$, what is the order of $xy$?



In fact, we do not even need that the given subgroups are cyclic. In most textbooks (e.g. Dummit and Foote), you will find the more general proposition that if $HK = KH$ for subgroups $H,K<G$, then
$$
|HK|=frac{|H||K|}{|Hcap K|}.
$$

The conditions on $H$ and $K$ are trivially satisfied since $G$ is abelian. Also, $Hcap K$ is a subgroup of both $H$ and $K$, so its order must divide $|H|$ and $|K|$. But, when $|H|$ and $|K|$ are relatively prime, this implies $|Hcap K |=1$.



(As pointed out by @Tobias in his comment, the identity holds without the condition that $HK = KH$; the condition ensures that $HK$ is a subgroup of $G$.)







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    $begingroup$
    Actually, the condition that $HK = KH$ is only needed for the product to be a subgroup. The size of the product will always be given by that formula.
    $endgroup$
    – Tobias Kildetoft
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Actually, the condition that $HK = KH$ is only needed for the product to be a subgroup. The size of the product will always be given by that formula.
$endgroup$
– Tobias Kildetoft
Mar 15 at 10:26




$begingroup$
Actually, the condition that $HK = KH$ is only needed for the product to be a subgroup. The size of the product will always be given by that formula.
$endgroup$
– Tobias Kildetoft
Mar 15 at 10:26


















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