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  • Metacomco BCPL for the Sinclair QL (1984) did sortof support floating point in vectors (but not as a stand-alone type)

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Metacomco BCPL for the Sinclair QL (1984) did sortof support floating point in vectors (but not as a stand-alone type)

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BCPL did include floating point, but only as an extension and some smaller systems chose not to implement it. The Arnor Z80 BCPL compiler I learned on did not support FP.



The Tenex BCPL manual (1974) describes its floating point operations and representations as being relatively standard: one could add two floats with the + operator, as expected.



The bcpltape distribution (1984) notes in its TRIPOS BCPL Standard manual that:



 1.10.1979 67
BCPL Standard
A13 Floating point
______________
There are two possible schemes for a floating point
package in BCPL: on implementations where the cell size is
big enough to hold the machine representation of a floating
point number the Floating Point Language Packet may be
implemented and where this is not possible the Floating Point
Procedure Packet may be implemented. In either case the
Floating Point I/O Procedures should be implemented.


BCPL's Floating Point Language Packet - for machines large enough to hold FP values in a memory cell - prefixed the corresponding integer operation with the character #, such as #+, #-, etc. So two numbers could be added using



C:=A#+B


The Floating Point Procedure Packet - for machines where FP values were held as a vector of cells - used special functions, including (again from the Tripos manual):



 Arithmetic Functions
____________________
FPLUS(A,B,C) C:=A#+B resultis C
FMINUS(A,B,C) C:=A#-B resultis C
FNEG(A,B) B:=#-A resultis B
FMULT(A,B,C) C:=A#*B resultis C
FDIV(A,B,C) C:=A#/B resultis C
FABS(A,B) B:=#ABS A resultis B


Floating point support was clearly implementation-specific, and would need to be reviewed on attempting to port software from one site to another.






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  • maybe I should have said “BCPL could include floating point …”, as Martin Richards was seemingly dead-set against it until very recently. Other implementations were free to add it as they saw fit.

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No, BCPL did not support floating point, unless the system's native word was interpreted as a floating point value. It also didn't support any other types.



From the BCPL manual, section 1.0, point 2:




All data items have Rvalues which are bit patterns of the same length and the type of an Rvalue depends only on the context of its use and not on the declaration of the data item. This simplifies the compiler and improves the object code efficiency but as a result there is no type checking.




An "Rvalue" is, basically, a value that can be used on the right-hand side of an assignment. It's the opposite of an "Lvalue", which (again basically) is something that can be assigned to.



Considering its intended use:




BCPL is a simple recursive programming language designed for compiler writing and system programming [...]




it seems doubtful that floating-point processing would be an important enough feature to include, especially in a world where many systems might not be floating-point capable at all. The manual also doesn't mention "float", and "decimal" only appears once in the meaning of "base 10".






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    No, but Martin Richards has recently added floating point operators, with a funny kind of type inference to distinguish between integer and floating point arithmetic. From https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mr10/bcplman.pdf, page 32:




    BCPL was originally designed for the implemention of compilers and
    other system software such as text editors, pagination programs and
    operating systems. These applications typically did not require
    floating point and so the language did not include any floating point
    features. Indeed, many early machines on which BCPL ran had word
    lengths of 16 or 24 bits which were of insufficient length for useful
    floating point numbers. Even on 32-bit machines the precision of
    floating point numbers is limited to about 6 decimal digits which is
    insuffient for serious scientific calculations. For 50 years I
    resisted putting floating point into BCPL but have recently given in.







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    BCPL did include floating point, but only as an extension and some smaller systems chose not to implement it. The Arnor Z80 BCPL compiler I learned on did not support FP.



    The Tenex BCPL manual (1974) describes its floating point operations and representations as being relatively standard: one could add two floats with the + operator, as expected.



    The bcpltape distribution (1984) notes in its TRIPOS BCPL Standard manual that:



     1.10.1979 67
    BCPL Standard
    A13 Floating point
    ______________
    There are two possible schemes for a floating point
    package in BCPL: on implementations where the cell size is
    big enough to hold the machine representation of a floating
    point number the Floating Point Language Packet may be
    implemented and where this is not possible the Floating Point
    Procedure Packet may be implemented. In either case the
    Floating Point I/O Procedures should be implemented.


    BCPL's Floating Point Language Packet - for machines large enough to hold FP values in a memory cell - prefixed the corresponding integer operation with the character #, such as #+, #-, etc. So two numbers could be added using



    C:=A#+B


    The Floating Point Procedure Packet - for machines where FP values were held as a vector of cells - used special functions, including (again from the Tripos manual):



     Arithmetic Functions
    ____________________
    FPLUS(A,B,C) C:=A#+B resultis C
    FMINUS(A,B,C) C:=A#-B resultis C
    FNEG(A,B) B:=#-A resultis B
    FMULT(A,B,C) C:=A#*B resultis C
    FDIV(A,B,C) C:=A#/B resultis C
    FABS(A,B) B:=#ABS A resultis B


    Floating point support was clearly implementation-specific, and would need to be reviewed on attempting to port software from one site to another.






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    • maybe I should have said “BCPL could include floating point …”, as Martin Richards was seemingly dead-set against it until very recently. Other implementations were free to add it as they saw fit.

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    BCPL did include floating point, but only as an extension and some smaller systems chose not to implement it. The Arnor Z80 BCPL compiler I learned on did not support FP.



    The Tenex BCPL manual (1974) describes its floating point operations and representations as being relatively standard: one could add two floats with the + operator, as expected.



    The bcpltape distribution (1984) notes in its TRIPOS BCPL Standard manual that:



     1.10.1979 67
    BCPL Standard
    A13 Floating point
    ______________
    There are two possible schemes for a floating point
    package in BCPL: on implementations where the cell size is
    big enough to hold the machine representation of a floating
    point number the Floating Point Language Packet may be
    implemented and where this is not possible the Floating Point
    Procedure Packet may be implemented. In either case the
    Floating Point I/O Procedures should be implemented.


    BCPL's Floating Point Language Packet - for machines large enough to hold FP values in a memory cell - prefixed the corresponding integer operation with the character #, such as #+, #-, etc. So two numbers could be added using



    C:=A#+B


    The Floating Point Procedure Packet - for machines where FP values were held as a vector of cells - used special functions, including (again from the Tripos manual):



     Arithmetic Functions
    ____________________
    FPLUS(A,B,C) C:=A#+B resultis C
    FMINUS(A,B,C) C:=A#-B resultis C
    FNEG(A,B) B:=#-A resultis B
    FMULT(A,B,C) C:=A#*B resultis C
    FDIV(A,B,C) C:=A#/B resultis C
    FABS(A,B) B:=#ABS A resultis B


    Floating point support was clearly implementation-specific, and would need to be reviewed on attempting to port software from one site to another.






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    BCPL did include floating point, but only as an extension and some smaller systems chose not to implement it. The Arnor Z80 BCPL compiler I learned on did not support FP.



    The Tenex BCPL manual (1974) describes its floating point operations and representations as being relatively standard: one could add two floats with the + operator, as expected.



    The bcpltape distribution (1984) notes in its TRIPOS BCPL Standard manual that:



     1.10.1979 67
    BCPL Standard
    A13 Floating point
    ______________
    There are two possible schemes for a floating point
    package in BCPL: on implementations where the cell size is
    big enough to hold the machine representation of a floating
    point number the Floating Point Language Packet may be
    implemented and where this is not possible the Floating Point
    Procedure Packet may be implemented. In either case the
    Floating Point I/O Procedures should be implemented.


    BCPL's Floating Point Language Packet - for machines large enough to hold FP values in a memory cell - prefixed the corresponding integer operation with the character #, such as #+, #-, etc. So two numbers could be added using



    C:=A#+B


    The Floating Point Procedure Packet - for machines where FP values were held as a vector of cells - used special functions, including (again from the Tripos manual):



     Arithmetic Functions
    ____________________
    FPLUS(A,B,C) C:=A#+B resultis C
    FMINUS(A,B,C) C:=A#-B resultis C
    FNEG(A,B) B:=#-A resultis B
    FMULT(A,B,C) C:=A#*B resultis C
    FDIV(A,B,C) C:=A#/B resultis C
    FABS(A,B) B:=#ABS A resultis B


    Floating point support was clearly implementation-specific, and would need to be reviewed on attempting to port software from one site to another.






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    BCPL did include floating point, but only as an extension and some smaller systems chose not to implement it. The Arnor Z80 BCPL compiler I learned on did not support FP.



    The Tenex BCPL manual (1974) describes its floating point operations and representations as being relatively standard: one could add two floats with the + operator, as expected.



    The bcpltape distribution (1984) notes in its TRIPOS BCPL Standard manual that:



     1.10.1979 67
    BCPL Standard
    A13 Floating point
    ______________
    There are two possible schemes for a floating point
    package in BCPL: on implementations where the cell size is
    big enough to hold the machine representation of a floating
    point number the Floating Point Language Packet may be
    implemented and where this is not possible the Floating Point
    Procedure Packet may be implemented. In either case the
    Floating Point I/O Procedures should be implemented.


    BCPL's Floating Point Language Packet - for machines large enough to hold FP values in a memory cell - prefixed the corresponding integer operation with the character #, such as #+, #-, etc. So two numbers could be added using



    C:=A#+B


    The Floating Point Procedure Packet - for machines where FP values were held as a vector of cells - used special functions, including (again from the Tripos manual):



     Arithmetic Functions
    ____________________
    FPLUS(A,B,C) C:=A#+B resultis C
    FMINUS(A,B,C) C:=A#-B resultis C
    FNEG(A,B) B:=#-A resultis B
    FMULT(A,B,C) C:=A#*B resultis C
    FDIV(A,B,C) C:=A#/B resultis C
    FABS(A,B) B:=#ABS A resultis B


    Floating point support was clearly implementation-specific, and would need to be reviewed on attempting to port software from one site to another.







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    No, BCPL did not support floating point, unless the system's native word was interpreted as a floating point value. It also didn't support any other types.



    From the BCPL manual, section 1.0, point 2:




    All data items have Rvalues which are bit patterns of the same length and the type of an Rvalue depends only on the context of its use and not on the declaration of the data item. This simplifies the compiler and improves the object code efficiency but as a result there is no type checking.




    An "Rvalue" is, basically, a value that can be used on the right-hand side of an assignment. It's the opposite of an "Lvalue", which (again basically) is something that can be assigned to.



    Considering its intended use:




    BCPL is a simple recursive programming language designed for compiler writing and system programming [...]




    it seems doubtful that floating-point processing would be an important enough feature to include, especially in a world where many systems might not be floating-point capable at all. The manual also doesn't mention "float", and "decimal" only appears once in the meaning of "base 10".






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      No, BCPL did not support floating point, unless the system's native word was interpreted as a floating point value. It also didn't support any other types.



      From the BCPL manual, section 1.0, point 2:




      All data items have Rvalues which are bit patterns of the same length and the type of an Rvalue depends only on the context of its use and not on the declaration of the data item. This simplifies the compiler and improves the object code efficiency but as a result there is no type checking.




      An "Rvalue" is, basically, a value that can be used on the right-hand side of an assignment. It's the opposite of an "Lvalue", which (again basically) is something that can be assigned to.



      Considering its intended use:




      BCPL is a simple recursive programming language designed for compiler writing and system programming [...]




      it seems doubtful that floating-point processing would be an important enough feature to include, especially in a world where many systems might not be floating-point capable at all. The manual also doesn't mention "float", and "decimal" only appears once in the meaning of "base 10".






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        No, BCPL did not support floating point, unless the system's native word was interpreted as a floating point value. It also didn't support any other types.



        From the BCPL manual, section 1.0, point 2:




        All data items have Rvalues which are bit patterns of the same length and the type of an Rvalue depends only on the context of its use and not on the declaration of the data item. This simplifies the compiler and improves the object code efficiency but as a result there is no type checking.




        An "Rvalue" is, basically, a value that can be used on the right-hand side of an assignment. It's the opposite of an "Lvalue", which (again basically) is something that can be assigned to.



        Considering its intended use:




        BCPL is a simple recursive programming language designed for compiler writing and system programming [...]




        it seems doubtful that floating-point processing would be an important enough feature to include, especially in a world where many systems might not be floating-point capable at all. The manual also doesn't mention "float", and "decimal" only appears once in the meaning of "base 10".






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        No, BCPL did not support floating point, unless the system's native word was interpreted as a floating point value. It also didn't support any other types.



        From the BCPL manual, section 1.0, point 2:




        All data items have Rvalues which are bit patterns of the same length and the type of an Rvalue depends only on the context of its use and not on the declaration of the data item. This simplifies the compiler and improves the object code efficiency but as a result there is no type checking.




        An "Rvalue" is, basically, a value that can be used on the right-hand side of an assignment. It's the opposite of an "Lvalue", which (again basically) is something that can be assigned to.



        Considering its intended use:




        BCPL is a simple recursive programming language designed for compiler writing and system programming [...]




        it seems doubtful that floating-point processing would be an important enough feature to include, especially in a world where many systems might not be floating-point capable at all. The manual also doesn't mention "float", and "decimal" only appears once in the meaning of "base 10".







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            No, but Martin Richards has recently added floating point operators, with a funny kind of type inference to distinguish between integer and floating point arithmetic. From https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mr10/bcplman.pdf, page 32:




            BCPL was originally designed for the implemention of compilers and
            other system software such as text editors, pagination programs and
            operating systems. These applications typically did not require
            floating point and so the language did not include any floating point
            features. Indeed, many early machines on which BCPL ran had word
            lengths of 16 or 24 bits which were of insufficient length for useful
            floating point numbers. Even on 32-bit machines the precision of
            floating point numbers is limited to about 6 decimal digits which is
            insuffient for serious scientific calculations. For 50 years I
            resisted putting floating point into BCPL but have recently given in.







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            • interesting to see that Richards added it for the BCPL interface with the OpenGL graphics library on the Raspberry Pi

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            No, but Martin Richards has recently added floating point operators, with a funny kind of type inference to distinguish between integer and floating point arithmetic. From https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mr10/bcplman.pdf, page 32:




            BCPL was originally designed for the implemention of compilers and
            other system software such as text editors, pagination programs and
            operating systems. These applications typically did not require
            floating point and so the language did not include any floating point
            features. Indeed, many early machines on which BCPL ran had word
            lengths of 16 or 24 bits which were of insufficient length for useful
            floating point numbers. Even on 32-bit machines the precision of
            floating point numbers is limited to about 6 decimal digits which is
            insuffient for serious scientific calculations. For 50 years I
            resisted putting floating point into BCPL but have recently given in.







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            No, but Martin Richards has recently added floating point operators, with a funny kind of type inference to distinguish between integer and floating point arithmetic. From https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mr10/bcplman.pdf, page 32:




            BCPL was originally designed for the implemention of compilers and
            other system software such as text editors, pagination programs and
            operating systems. These applications typically did not require
            floating point and so the language did not include any floating point
            features. Indeed, many early machines on which BCPL ran had word
            lengths of 16 or 24 bits which were of insufficient length for useful
            floating point numbers. Even on 32-bit machines the precision of
            floating point numbers is limited to about 6 decimal digits which is
            insuffient for serious scientific calculations. For 50 years I
            resisted putting floating point into BCPL but have recently given in.







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            No, but Martin Richards has recently added floating point operators, with a funny kind of type inference to distinguish between integer and floating point arithmetic. From https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mr10/bcplman.pdf, page 32:




            BCPL was originally designed for the implemention of compilers and
            other system software such as text editors, pagination programs and
            operating systems. These applications typically did not require
            floating point and so the language did not include any floating point
            features. Indeed, many early machines on which BCPL ran had word
            lengths of 16 or 24 bits which were of insufficient length for useful
            floating point numbers. Even on 32-bit machines the precision of
            floating point numbers is limited to about 6 decimal digits which is
            insuffient for serious scientific calculations. For 50 years I
            resisted putting floating point into BCPL but have recently given in.








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            • interesting to see that Richards added it for the BCPL interface with the OpenGL graphics library on the Raspberry Pi

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            • interesting to see that Richards added it for the BCPL interface with the OpenGL graphics library on the Raspberry Pi

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              9 hours ago
















            interesting to see that Richards added it for the BCPL interface with the OpenGL graphics library on the Raspberry Pi

            – scruss
            9 hours ago





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            9 hours ago










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