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Called into a meeting and told we are being made redundant (laid off) and “not to share outside”. Can I tell my partner?
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As title. Just been told we are being laid off, and asked to keep it confidential from anyone outside this room.
They sent us home "to absorb the news".
Is it really the case that we cannot tell partners/spouses and have to keep it to ourselves?
When can I tell my partner? or I have to get clearance to tell?
My partner is at home so I can't turn up late with this.
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As title. Just been told we are being laid off, and asked to keep it confidential from anyone outside this room.
They sent us home "to absorb the news".
Is it really the case that we cannot tell partners/spouses and have to keep it to ourselves?
When can I tell my partner? or I have to get clearance to tell?
My partner is at home so I can't turn up late with this.
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You should really add which country this is, because the answer will very much depend on it.
– gnasher729
Mar 3 at 8:40
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Did they indicate when the lay-off would be effective and until when they want you to keep the lay-off secret?
– das-g
Mar 3 at 13:30
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Does your partner have any connection to the company, e.g. as an employee, supplier, or customer?
– Andrew Morton
Mar 4 at 13:17
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Did they make you sign anything?
– ChatterOne
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And what are they going to do if you don't keep it to yourselves? Fire you?
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As title. Just been told we are being laid off, and asked to keep it confidential from anyone outside this room.
They sent us home "to absorb the news".
Is it really the case that we cannot tell partners/spouses and have to keep it to ourselves?
When can I tell my partner? or I have to get clearance to tell?
My partner is at home so I can't turn up late with this.
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As title. Just been told we are being laid off, and asked to keep it confidential from anyone outside this room.
They sent us home "to absorb the news".
Is it really the case that we cannot tell partners/spouses and have to keep it to ourselves?
When can I tell my partner? or I have to get clearance to tell?
My partner is at home so I can't turn up late with this.
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You should really add which country this is, because the answer will very much depend on it.
– gnasher729
Mar 3 at 8:40
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Did they indicate when the lay-off would be effective and until when they want you to keep the lay-off secret?
– das-g
Mar 3 at 13:30
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Does your partner have any connection to the company, e.g. as an employee, supplier, or customer?
– Andrew Morton
Mar 4 at 13:17
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Did they make you sign anything?
– ChatterOne
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And what are they going to do if you don't keep it to yourselves? Fire you?
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You should really add which country this is, because the answer will very much depend on it.
– gnasher729
Mar 3 at 8:40
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Did they indicate when the lay-off would be effective and until when they want you to keep the lay-off secret?
– das-g
Mar 3 at 13:30
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Does your partner have any connection to the company, e.g. as an employee, supplier, or customer?
– Andrew Morton
Mar 4 at 13:17
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Did they make you sign anything?
– ChatterOne
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And what are they going to do if you don't keep it to yourselves? Fire you?
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You should really add which country this is, because the answer will very much depend on it.
– gnasher729
Mar 3 at 8:40
You should really add which country this is, because the answer will very much depend on it.
– gnasher729
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Did they indicate when the lay-off would be effective and until when they want you to keep the lay-off secret?
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Mar 3 at 13:30
Did they indicate when the lay-off would be effective and until when they want you to keep the lay-off secret?
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Mar 3 at 13:30
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Does your partner have any connection to the company, e.g. as an employee, supplier, or customer?
– Andrew Morton
Mar 4 at 13:17
Does your partner have any connection to the company, e.g. as an employee, supplier, or customer?
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Did they make you sign anything?
– ChatterOne
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Did they make you sign anything?
– ChatterOne
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And what are they going to do if you don't keep it to yourselves? Fire you?
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And what are they going to do if you don't keep it to yourselves? Fire you?
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You're not in the army, in prison or at school - you can tell whoever you like. What are they going to do if you do ?
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– Snow♦
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Although it sounds like a rhetorical question (and was probably intended as such), you should take it literally. It is unlikely illegal nor is there anything that can really stop you from sharing this information. Therefore all that's left to consider is if any negative effects of doing so if they find out you shared the information.
– SLC
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Poor answer. It's completely reasonable for OP to wonder if talking about it could result in them being fired for cause and lose any severance package (and the time to job search before the layoffs take effect), just as one example of many things. Everyone can always do what they like if it's in the realm of the possible, but that's hardly advice.
– Matthew Read
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This definitely holds if they never find out. If there is a reasonable chance they might find out before the severance is complete, do weigh your options. (Normally spouse should be safe as long as she won't share publicly, but colleagues can be tricky).
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the answer implies: "what they gonna do? Fire you? haha" and this is not accurate fro a good answer
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In a situation where you're asked to do something uncanny, like be silent about getting laid off, it might be helpful to reflect on why they're asking you to do that. Instead of just obeying and then resenting it, consider their point of view and then use your own discretion to do what you feel is right.
As you know lay-offs are an enormously stressful event and people respond differently to stress. Of course they want to avoid a panic-response and hard-feelings among the other workers. There's a need to control the roll-out of the message and in some orgs an "all-hands meeting" isn't practical, so yeah, they're going to tell the impacted people first and then everyone else.
There are other concerns as well: clients, contracts, vendors, and the market. A layoff, obviously, can be interpreted as a bad sign. For large lay-offs, there's usually a well-crafted press release explaining the situation. Telling the impacted people first is a honorable thing to do. You wouldn't want to read the press release and then wonder if you're going to be laid off or not. By asking the laid-off people to be "silent" they're controlling the roll-out of the message to the industry/public and minimizing damage to the business -- and also doing the honorable thing by letting the laid-off people know first.
So, the best course of action is to be discreet about the lay-off. Of course tell your wife, family and trusted friends. And, if it isn't obvious, indicate that this is supposed to be "secret" for the time being.
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– Monica Cellio♦
15 hours ago
this should be the top answer. Also I guess OP is looking for a new job, like most of his colleagues. If another company gets 20 applications from a different company they could assume that something is going on.
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The counter-question is always: "What they will do?"
So you tell your partner, and they find it out, and they are going to do what, exactly? Fire you? Sue you? For what?
The "don't tell anyone" basically means "we know this is going to be bad press, we want to control the damage and our PR department should manage the information flow."
It has nothing to do with your partner. In fact, if you were to bring up the question, I'm reasonably sure the person you ask would be surprised.
But even if for some reason beyond human understanding they would try to forbid you, on what grounds would they do that? Which clause of your working contract would you violate? Their general capability of giving you orders because you work there don't extend outside working hours. So it would have to be something more specific, like a trade secret (which it isn't) or other information protected by law (which it isn't).
In most jurisdictions, the family unit has a higher protection under the law than companies. Also, from a very practical position, having secrets from your partner is going to have more long-term adverse affects on you than not doing something that a company that you'll soon not be working for anymore wants you to do.
So, from all possible perspectives: Tell your partner, don't ask for permission to do so.
"other information protected by law " - the fact that layoffs are occuring may well be price-sensitive information that the company has to be careful with.
– Martin Bonner
Mar 3 at 15:06
Yes, but my second-to-last paragraph still applies to that.
– Tom
Mar 4 at 5:28
@MartinBonner Is an employees knowledge of their own impending layoff information that would be protected by law? That seems like it would be a hard one to restrict.
– JMac
Mar 4 at 13:44
"What they will do?" - It could affect the OP's redundancy payment.
– colmde
2 days ago
Sue? Well, they may. News about pending lay-offs can influence stock prices, and bringing out this news prematurely can end up with you being in a court room. Of course, for that to happens requires partner to share the news.
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I would be astonished to find a jurisdiction that did not allow you to tell your partner. Many places, your partner cannot even be compelled to testify against you, so unless your partner passed the information along, nobody would ever know. That said, in telling your partner, you do become responsible for whomever they tell, if you're in a jurisdiction that provides a reason for you to not tell whomever you want.
In any event, you can at least tell your partner that you need to find a new job, along with any headhunters, recruiters, or potential employers. There's nothing that says you'd need to explain. If pressed, you could always say, "I can't keep working there. I can't talk about it."
Looking at some of the other answers, I see people talking about layoff situations that significantly differ from my experience. I'm used to layoffs where there's generally roughly four weeks (at least in the US) between when the layoff details are "finalized" and when they take effect. In the first two weeks after that, the people who will be laid off are talked to individually and asked to keep things quiet, so that there's not panic and undue rumors. Then there's an internal general announcement, followed shortly afterwards by a media announcement, after which there's no more secrecy. The media announcement will probably be as low key as possible, so if you're not paying attention to the right news source to hear it, you won't.
They probably won't announce when the secrecy is over, though if you ask about how long they want you to keep it secret, they'll probably explain this. The secrecy is just to prevent rumors from spreading during the period when they're letting the people laid off know, and having people they're not laying off do extra job searching and having some of them leave. The media secrecy is because they can't tell the media before the company employees without rumors, even if they told all of the affected employees first.
If you're laid off with a process that doesn't have a general announcement of a layoff before you actually leave, I would personally be inclined to let your coworkers know you'll be leaving, but not why. I'd also be inclined to take the opportunity to make sure I had the contact information of any coworkers I wanted to stay in contact with, as it's much easier to get while one still has contact.
I've known some people in non-key roles handling notifying people about their exit and dissemminating their contact information with an email their last day saying, "This is my last day. I've enjoyed working with you all. Good luck on everything. My personal email address is ..." I've never heard any complaints about those people doing that, though a few times people asked their boss about the lack of two weeks notice. Invariably, the answer to those queries was, "I got two weeks notice. It's fine."
If I were working in an environment where a sudden layoff were understood to be possible, I would do a better job of being sure the people I wanted to remain in contact with had my personal contact information, to reduce the likelihood I'd need to collect contact information on my supprise last day when I'd probably be too frazzled to remember to do it.
As far as layoffs that are never announced go... I'm not sure how that differs from being fired. A lawyer from a jurisdiction where such a thing happened might be able to clarify that.
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I am not a lawyer, but as I understand it, spouses have not signed anything, so if you tell them nothing prevents the secrets to spread. Usually it doues not matter much because really, the secrets are leaking anyway and nobody cares much. But by the letter NDAs also should relate to spouses, and in hard cases are meant to be obeyed.
– max630
Mar 3 at 21:48
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The spouse isn't barred from saying stuff, but you're on the hook for who they tell. Last sentence of my first paragraph. I'm not a lawyer, either, and no lawyer is familiar with every jurisdiction. But I have talked to a few lawyers about this general situation, many years ago.
– Ed Grimm
Mar 3 at 21:53
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Seriously, tell your partner: "I can't keep working there. I can't talk about it." ?! They'll think you were fired for sexual harassment or something equally horrible.
– MSalters
Mar 4 at 8:28
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On the jurisdiction, I know a few: think of medics and secrets. Doctors are not allowed to tell the name of patients to partners.
– Mayou36
Mar 4 at 10:49
Is there any actual responsibility for who you tell in this scenario? Your employer might have told you in confidence that you were laid off, but is them saying "don't tell anyone" legally binding in any way? I don't see how you would even really be responsible if your wife shared the information after you shared it with her.
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They mean "anyone outside this room who also works here."
They do not mean your partner/spouse. Of course you can tell your partner/spouse.
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I imagine that this restriction would also extend to not talking to the media or other people of that nature
– Zac Faragher
Mar 4 at 0:25
It seems common sense....+1
– Rui F Ribeiro
Mar 4 at 8:29
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And customers, suppliers and other partners. If the company is public, it also includes the general public as there are then issues with disclosure, insider trading, etc.
– jcaron
Mar 4 at 12:58
Rephrased: "anyone outside this room who also has a business relationship with the company". This includes co-workers, customers, suppliers, and partners. Also includes the media and the like, as informing them implicitly informs "co-workers, customers, suppliers, etc".
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Only you know your specific circumstances, but I can offer an example of a situation similar to yours.
I have been laid off in corporate restructurings 5 times in my 20 years (I work in a technology field, so this is common). In one case, the HR person asked me not to discuss my layoff with others at the company while I was still permitted to be in the building. Her hope was that I would collect my things discreetly and leave. I considered her request to be reasonable and I left. I even offered to return to the company at a later time to collect my personal things when folks were not expected to be in the office and she agreed to help do this. I think we both were able to make the best out of a bad situation.
Layoffs are tough, yet if you are asked to behave in odd ways by the people letting you, you can every obligation to clarify their expectations and to act professionally.
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This highlights one of the things I find amusing about some HR people: They insult the intelligence of your co-workers by thinking nobody's going to notice that you're no longer there if you go quietly.
– Blrfl
Mar 3 at 12:46
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In most of the layoffs that I've witnessed, they told everyone they gave an early heads up about the layoff to not tell anyone. But a week or two later, before anyone who was being laid off was actually fired, they made a general announcement. After that announcement, there was no further secrecy desired, even if they didn't explicitly say that. An immediate layoff like this with secrecy seems like a very different thing.
– Ed Grimm
Mar 3 at 21:40
@EdGrimm To me it reads like the OP was sent home for the day only (to absorb the news as they said), with the layoffs taking effect later.
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Of course, your co-workers need to know that you are leaving the company and that they need to plan accordingly. If they didn't know they would just notice that you do not show up anymore and would not have an explanation of the reason and the duration.
You will need to tell that you have been laid off to recruiters why hunting for a new job. And – depending on your jurisdiction – you might have the obligation to register yourself as jobless to receive unemployment benefits.
And of course, your partner needs to know!
This is an unusual request and IMHO doesn't make much sense to keep the fact that you have been laid off confidential. What might make sense would be if they asked you to keep the reason for being laid off confidential. Or if they asked you to not immediately inform your co-workers, because they want to tell this information.
If I was laid off and either the company offered me something in exchange nor the reason for being laid off is confidential on itself (for example because of my contract), I would not keep this information confidential. I would talk to my co-workers before I leave, explaining the situation. The people you worked closely together with deserve to know the facts and that you have the chance to say good-bye. And of cause, I would tell my partner immediately.
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Partner yes, co-workers no - the whole point of asking for news not to be leaked is that co-workers who are likely to be affected (and who may also be in line to be laid off, you don't know that) should find out via an official announcement or a talk with their manager. Gossip about layoffs that haven't been formally announced could lead to people panicking unnecessarily or taking inappropriate actions to protect their own position.
– Julia Hayward
Mar 3 at 8:37
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@JuliaHayward As I wrote in the fourth paragraph. I have been a company in which people just disappeared and the manager didn't tell the team about it. Therefore I think it is reasonable that the company ask not to share this information immediately with your co-workers. But if the management hasn't officially informed the team on your last day then your team deserve that you tell them before that you are leaving and say good-bye.
– spickermann
Mar 3 at 8:44
@spickermann: Do you work in Airstrip One, or Argentina, by chance?
– dotancohen
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It's very unlikely that your company has any authority to prevent you from telling family or friends about the layoff. If it's not already part of your contract, then you're likely in the clear.
Be aware, though, that there is an important reason why you should be careful here. Layoffs are frequently the result of a poor financial state. If the layoffs have not yet been announced publicly, you tell your family about the layoffs, and then a family member sells some of their stock in the company, then they could be charged with insider trading (or a similar offense). If you do choose to tell someone about the layoffs, make sure that they are aware of the consequences of acting on that information before it becomes public knowledge.
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This is an unfortunate situation. What you need to do is get the person who laid you off to give you a reference letter. Hopefully they'll oblige. If not use the period of silence to extract something from your coworkers. This secrecy seems peculiar, but it exists, and you need to maximize your remaining time at this company. If it's not personal, then your boss should be happy to help you out in this manner.
If they are unwilling, ask someone else. Be discreet, but be sure that you keep in mind the reason for this discretion is because you want a reference. Really, that should have been offered to you at the announcement.
Do not hide the fact that you got laid off from your partner. That's a sitcom plot, not a real life strategy. The key here as I see it is to spend the time you are given "to absorb the news," getting that recommendation. It's not a given that people will write 4 or 5 of them. Your time here is over, use the time of discretion to set yourself up for the job search.
Good luck.
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use the period of silence to extract something from your coworkers -- You mean, like, if one of your office mates has a set of headphones you've always admired, this would be a good time to borrow them?
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@A.I.Breveleri We have here a precedent in Workplace, cant remember exacly the specifics, someone who collected 1.5K for a lottery, or event, and then disappeared for good.
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In many places it would actually be illegal to put such restrictions on you, or rather to retaliate if you did tell someone. After all, they are making you redundant so you need another job, and one of the standard questions is "why are you leaving?" They can't expect you to lie for them.
In any case, you can definitely tell your spouse. They likely only mean other people at work anyway.
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The value of marital harmony is immense - whereas you're not married to the job. (partnerial harmony? domestic harmony? you get the idea.) Your other half needs to know the change in both your circumstances ASAP.
Telling any kids are a grey area.
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I would get as much money as I had together and I would short the company as when they do release the news you'll make a few quid.
But no, they cannot expect you to not tell anyone, especially if they've not forced you to sign an NDA about it
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Ok well this would be a clear case of insider trading...
– TheSaint321
17 hours ago
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This isn't even financially lucrative unethical advice. Sometimes layoffs make stock go up, because they say "look, we cut our operating costs. Our EBITDA has gone up. In the short term, we're even more profitable now." I've worked at a company who laid off 14 people (13 were valuable employees) with literally nothing to gain except for short-term EBITDA increase. Shortly after that, the CEO retired and presumably cashed out his stock as well. Related info: the CEO was relatively young, had only been CEO for about 3 years, and always prioritized EBITDA highly.
– John
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Isn't this illegal in most places?
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You're not in the army, in prison or at school - you can tell whoever you like. What are they going to do if you do ?
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Although it sounds like a rhetorical question (and was probably intended as such), you should take it literally. It is unlikely illegal nor is there anything that can really stop you from sharing this information. Therefore all that's left to consider is if any negative effects of doing so if they find out you shared the information.
– SLC
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Poor answer. It's completely reasonable for OP to wonder if talking about it could result in them being fired for cause and lose any severance package (and the time to job search before the layoffs take effect), just as one example of many things. Everyone can always do what they like if it's in the realm of the possible, but that's hardly advice.
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This definitely holds if they never find out. If there is a reasonable chance they might find out before the severance is complete, do weigh your options. (Normally spouse should be safe as long as she won't share publicly, but colleagues can be tricky).
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the answer implies: "what they gonna do? Fire you? haha" and this is not accurate fro a good answer
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You're not in the army, in prison or at school - you can tell whoever you like. What are they going to do if you do ?
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Although it sounds like a rhetorical question (and was probably intended as such), you should take it literally. It is unlikely illegal nor is there anything that can really stop you from sharing this information. Therefore all that's left to consider is if any negative effects of doing so if they find out you shared the information.
– SLC
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Poor answer. It's completely reasonable for OP to wonder if talking about it could result in them being fired for cause and lose any severance package (and the time to job search before the layoffs take effect), just as one example of many things. Everyone can always do what they like if it's in the realm of the possible, but that's hardly advice.
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This definitely holds if they never find out. If there is a reasonable chance they might find out before the severance is complete, do weigh your options. (Normally spouse should be safe as long as she won't share publicly, but colleagues can be tricky).
– Dennis Jaheruddin
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the answer implies: "what they gonna do? Fire you? haha" and this is not accurate fro a good answer
– aaaaaa
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You're not in the army, in prison or at school - you can tell whoever you like. What are they going to do if you do ?
You're not in the army, in prison or at school - you can tell whoever you like. What are they going to do if you do ?
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– Snow♦
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Although it sounds like a rhetorical question (and was probably intended as such), you should take it literally. It is unlikely illegal nor is there anything that can really stop you from sharing this information. Therefore all that's left to consider is if any negative effects of doing so if they find out you shared the information.
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Poor answer. It's completely reasonable for OP to wonder if talking about it could result in them being fired for cause and lose any severance package (and the time to job search before the layoffs take effect), just as one example of many things. Everyone can always do what they like if it's in the realm of the possible, but that's hardly advice.
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This definitely holds if they never find out. If there is a reasonable chance they might find out before the severance is complete, do weigh your options. (Normally spouse should be safe as long as she won't share publicly, but colleagues can be tricky).
– Dennis Jaheruddin
yesterday
the answer implies: "what they gonna do? Fire you? haha" and this is not accurate fro a good answer
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Although it sounds like a rhetorical question (and was probably intended as such), you should take it literally. It is unlikely illegal nor is there anything that can really stop you from sharing this information. Therefore all that's left to consider is if any negative effects of doing so if they find out you shared the information.
– SLC
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Poor answer. It's completely reasonable for OP to wonder if talking about it could result in them being fired for cause and lose any severance package (and the time to job search before the layoffs take effect), just as one example of many things. Everyone can always do what they like if it's in the realm of the possible, but that's hardly advice.
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This definitely holds if they never find out. If there is a reasonable chance they might find out before the severance is complete, do weigh your options. (Normally spouse should be safe as long as she won't share publicly, but colleagues can be tricky).
– Dennis Jaheruddin
yesterday
the answer implies: "what they gonna do? Fire you? haha" and this is not accurate fro a good answer
– aaaaaa
13 hours ago
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– Snow♦
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– Snow♦
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Although it sounds like a rhetorical question (and was probably intended as such), you should take it literally. It is unlikely illegal nor is there anything that can really stop you from sharing this information. Therefore all that's left to consider is if any negative effects of doing so if they find out you shared the information.
– SLC
2 days ago
Although it sounds like a rhetorical question (and was probably intended as such), you should take it literally. It is unlikely illegal nor is there anything that can really stop you from sharing this information. Therefore all that's left to consider is if any negative effects of doing so if they find out you shared the information.
– SLC
2 days ago
48
48
Poor answer. It's completely reasonable for OP to wonder if talking about it could result in them being fired for cause and lose any severance package (and the time to job search before the layoffs take effect), just as one example of many things. Everyone can always do what they like if it's in the realm of the possible, but that's hardly advice.
– Matthew Read
yesterday
Poor answer. It's completely reasonable for OP to wonder if talking about it could result in them being fired for cause and lose any severance package (and the time to job search before the layoffs take effect), just as one example of many things. Everyone can always do what they like if it's in the realm of the possible, but that's hardly advice.
– Matthew Read
yesterday
3
3
This definitely holds if they never find out. If there is a reasonable chance they might find out before the severance is complete, do weigh your options. (Normally spouse should be safe as long as she won't share publicly, but colleagues can be tricky).
– Dennis Jaheruddin
yesterday
This definitely holds if they never find out. If there is a reasonable chance they might find out before the severance is complete, do weigh your options. (Normally spouse should be safe as long as she won't share publicly, but colleagues can be tricky).
– Dennis Jaheruddin
yesterday
the answer implies: "what they gonna do? Fire you? haha" and this is not accurate fro a good answer
– aaaaaa
13 hours ago
the answer implies: "what they gonna do? Fire you? haha" and this is not accurate fro a good answer
– aaaaaa
13 hours ago
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In a situation where you're asked to do something uncanny, like be silent about getting laid off, it might be helpful to reflect on why they're asking you to do that. Instead of just obeying and then resenting it, consider their point of view and then use your own discretion to do what you feel is right.
As you know lay-offs are an enormously stressful event and people respond differently to stress. Of course they want to avoid a panic-response and hard-feelings among the other workers. There's a need to control the roll-out of the message and in some orgs an "all-hands meeting" isn't practical, so yeah, they're going to tell the impacted people first and then everyone else.
There are other concerns as well: clients, contracts, vendors, and the market. A layoff, obviously, can be interpreted as a bad sign. For large lay-offs, there's usually a well-crafted press release explaining the situation. Telling the impacted people first is a honorable thing to do. You wouldn't want to read the press release and then wonder if you're going to be laid off or not. By asking the laid-off people to be "silent" they're controlling the roll-out of the message to the industry/public and minimizing damage to the business -- and also doing the honorable thing by letting the laid-off people know first.
So, the best course of action is to be discreet about the lay-off. Of course tell your wife, family and trusted friends. And, if it isn't obvious, indicate that this is supposed to be "secret" for the time being.
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– Monica Cellio♦
15 hours ago
this should be the top answer. Also I guess OP is looking for a new job, like most of his colleagues. If another company gets 20 applications from a different company they could assume that something is going on.
– Swizzler
2 hours ago
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In a situation where you're asked to do something uncanny, like be silent about getting laid off, it might be helpful to reflect on why they're asking you to do that. Instead of just obeying and then resenting it, consider their point of view and then use your own discretion to do what you feel is right.
As you know lay-offs are an enormously stressful event and people respond differently to stress. Of course they want to avoid a panic-response and hard-feelings among the other workers. There's a need to control the roll-out of the message and in some orgs an "all-hands meeting" isn't practical, so yeah, they're going to tell the impacted people first and then everyone else.
There are other concerns as well: clients, contracts, vendors, and the market. A layoff, obviously, can be interpreted as a bad sign. For large lay-offs, there's usually a well-crafted press release explaining the situation. Telling the impacted people first is a honorable thing to do. You wouldn't want to read the press release and then wonder if you're going to be laid off or not. By asking the laid-off people to be "silent" they're controlling the roll-out of the message to the industry/public and minimizing damage to the business -- and also doing the honorable thing by letting the laid-off people know first.
So, the best course of action is to be discreet about the lay-off. Of course tell your wife, family and trusted friends. And, if it isn't obvious, indicate that this is supposed to be "secret" for the time being.
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– Monica Cellio♦
15 hours ago
this should be the top answer. Also I guess OP is looking for a new job, like most of his colleagues. If another company gets 20 applications from a different company they could assume that something is going on.
– Swizzler
2 hours ago
add a comment |
In a situation where you're asked to do something uncanny, like be silent about getting laid off, it might be helpful to reflect on why they're asking you to do that. Instead of just obeying and then resenting it, consider their point of view and then use your own discretion to do what you feel is right.
As you know lay-offs are an enormously stressful event and people respond differently to stress. Of course they want to avoid a panic-response and hard-feelings among the other workers. There's a need to control the roll-out of the message and in some orgs an "all-hands meeting" isn't practical, so yeah, they're going to tell the impacted people first and then everyone else.
There are other concerns as well: clients, contracts, vendors, and the market. A layoff, obviously, can be interpreted as a bad sign. For large lay-offs, there's usually a well-crafted press release explaining the situation. Telling the impacted people first is a honorable thing to do. You wouldn't want to read the press release and then wonder if you're going to be laid off or not. By asking the laid-off people to be "silent" they're controlling the roll-out of the message to the industry/public and minimizing damage to the business -- and also doing the honorable thing by letting the laid-off people know first.
So, the best course of action is to be discreet about the lay-off. Of course tell your wife, family and trusted friends. And, if it isn't obvious, indicate that this is supposed to be "secret" for the time being.
In a situation where you're asked to do something uncanny, like be silent about getting laid off, it might be helpful to reflect on why they're asking you to do that. Instead of just obeying and then resenting it, consider their point of view and then use your own discretion to do what you feel is right.
As you know lay-offs are an enormously stressful event and people respond differently to stress. Of course they want to avoid a panic-response and hard-feelings among the other workers. There's a need to control the roll-out of the message and in some orgs an "all-hands meeting" isn't practical, so yeah, they're going to tell the impacted people first and then everyone else.
There are other concerns as well: clients, contracts, vendors, and the market. A layoff, obviously, can be interpreted as a bad sign. For large lay-offs, there's usually a well-crafted press release explaining the situation. Telling the impacted people first is a honorable thing to do. You wouldn't want to read the press release and then wonder if you're going to be laid off or not. By asking the laid-off people to be "silent" they're controlling the roll-out of the message to the industry/public and minimizing damage to the business -- and also doing the honorable thing by letting the laid-off people know first.
So, the best course of action is to be discreet about the lay-off. Of course tell your wife, family and trusted friends. And, if it isn't obvious, indicate that this is supposed to be "secret" for the time being.
answered Mar 3 at 11:41
teego1967teego1967
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– Monica Cellio♦
15 hours ago
this should be the top answer. Also I guess OP is looking for a new job, like most of his colleagues. If another company gets 20 applications from a different company they could assume that something is going on.
– Swizzler
2 hours ago
add a comment |
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– Monica Cellio♦
15 hours ago
this should be the top answer. Also I guess OP is looking for a new job, like most of his colleagues. If another company gets 20 applications from a different company they could assume that something is going on.
– Swizzler
2 hours ago
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– Monica Cellio♦
15 hours ago
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– Monica Cellio♦
15 hours ago
this should be the top answer. Also I guess OP is looking for a new job, like most of his colleagues. If another company gets 20 applications from a different company they could assume that something is going on.
– Swizzler
2 hours ago
this should be the top answer. Also I guess OP is looking for a new job, like most of his colleagues. If another company gets 20 applications from a different company they could assume that something is going on.
– Swizzler
2 hours ago
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The counter-question is always: "What they will do?"
So you tell your partner, and they find it out, and they are going to do what, exactly? Fire you? Sue you? For what?
The "don't tell anyone" basically means "we know this is going to be bad press, we want to control the damage and our PR department should manage the information flow."
It has nothing to do with your partner. In fact, if you were to bring up the question, I'm reasonably sure the person you ask would be surprised.
But even if for some reason beyond human understanding they would try to forbid you, on what grounds would they do that? Which clause of your working contract would you violate? Their general capability of giving you orders because you work there don't extend outside working hours. So it would have to be something more specific, like a trade secret (which it isn't) or other information protected by law (which it isn't).
In most jurisdictions, the family unit has a higher protection under the law than companies. Also, from a very practical position, having secrets from your partner is going to have more long-term adverse affects on you than not doing something that a company that you'll soon not be working for anymore wants you to do.
So, from all possible perspectives: Tell your partner, don't ask for permission to do so.
"other information protected by law " - the fact that layoffs are occuring may well be price-sensitive information that the company has to be careful with.
– Martin Bonner
Mar 3 at 15:06
Yes, but my second-to-last paragraph still applies to that.
– Tom
Mar 4 at 5:28
@MartinBonner Is an employees knowledge of their own impending layoff information that would be protected by law? That seems like it would be a hard one to restrict.
– JMac
Mar 4 at 13:44
"What they will do?" - It could affect the OP's redundancy payment.
– colmde
2 days ago
Sue? Well, they may. News about pending lay-offs can influence stock prices, and bringing out this news prematurely can end up with you being in a court room. Of course, for that to happens requires partner to share the news.
– Abigail
2 days ago
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The counter-question is always: "What they will do?"
So you tell your partner, and they find it out, and they are going to do what, exactly? Fire you? Sue you? For what?
The "don't tell anyone" basically means "we know this is going to be bad press, we want to control the damage and our PR department should manage the information flow."
It has nothing to do with your partner. In fact, if you were to bring up the question, I'm reasonably sure the person you ask would be surprised.
But even if for some reason beyond human understanding they would try to forbid you, on what grounds would they do that? Which clause of your working contract would you violate? Their general capability of giving you orders because you work there don't extend outside working hours. So it would have to be something more specific, like a trade secret (which it isn't) or other information protected by law (which it isn't).
In most jurisdictions, the family unit has a higher protection under the law than companies. Also, from a very practical position, having secrets from your partner is going to have more long-term adverse affects on you than not doing something that a company that you'll soon not be working for anymore wants you to do.
So, from all possible perspectives: Tell your partner, don't ask for permission to do so.
"other information protected by law " - the fact that layoffs are occuring may well be price-sensitive information that the company has to be careful with.
– Martin Bonner
Mar 3 at 15:06
Yes, but my second-to-last paragraph still applies to that.
– Tom
Mar 4 at 5:28
@MartinBonner Is an employees knowledge of their own impending layoff information that would be protected by law? That seems like it would be a hard one to restrict.
– JMac
Mar 4 at 13:44
"What they will do?" - It could affect the OP's redundancy payment.
– colmde
2 days ago
Sue? Well, they may. News about pending lay-offs can influence stock prices, and bringing out this news prematurely can end up with you being in a court room. Of course, for that to happens requires partner to share the news.
– Abigail
2 days ago
|
show 3 more comments
The counter-question is always: "What they will do?"
So you tell your partner, and they find it out, and they are going to do what, exactly? Fire you? Sue you? For what?
The "don't tell anyone" basically means "we know this is going to be bad press, we want to control the damage and our PR department should manage the information flow."
It has nothing to do with your partner. In fact, if you were to bring up the question, I'm reasonably sure the person you ask would be surprised.
But even if for some reason beyond human understanding they would try to forbid you, on what grounds would they do that? Which clause of your working contract would you violate? Their general capability of giving you orders because you work there don't extend outside working hours. So it would have to be something more specific, like a trade secret (which it isn't) or other information protected by law (which it isn't).
In most jurisdictions, the family unit has a higher protection under the law than companies. Also, from a very practical position, having secrets from your partner is going to have more long-term adverse affects on you than not doing something that a company that you'll soon not be working for anymore wants you to do.
So, from all possible perspectives: Tell your partner, don't ask for permission to do so.
The counter-question is always: "What they will do?"
So you tell your partner, and they find it out, and they are going to do what, exactly? Fire you? Sue you? For what?
The "don't tell anyone" basically means "we know this is going to be bad press, we want to control the damage and our PR department should manage the information flow."
It has nothing to do with your partner. In fact, if you were to bring up the question, I'm reasonably sure the person you ask would be surprised.
But even if for some reason beyond human understanding they would try to forbid you, on what grounds would they do that? Which clause of your working contract would you violate? Their general capability of giving you orders because you work there don't extend outside working hours. So it would have to be something more specific, like a trade secret (which it isn't) or other information protected by law (which it isn't).
In most jurisdictions, the family unit has a higher protection under the law than companies. Also, from a very practical position, having secrets from your partner is going to have more long-term adverse affects on you than not doing something that a company that you'll soon not be working for anymore wants you to do.
So, from all possible perspectives: Tell your partner, don't ask for permission to do so.
answered Mar 3 at 12:36
TomTom
4,9691121
4,9691121
"other information protected by law " - the fact that layoffs are occuring may well be price-sensitive information that the company has to be careful with.
– Martin Bonner
Mar 3 at 15:06
Yes, but my second-to-last paragraph still applies to that.
– Tom
Mar 4 at 5:28
@MartinBonner Is an employees knowledge of their own impending layoff information that would be protected by law? That seems like it would be a hard one to restrict.
– JMac
Mar 4 at 13:44
"What they will do?" - It could affect the OP's redundancy payment.
– colmde
2 days ago
Sue? Well, they may. News about pending lay-offs can influence stock prices, and bringing out this news prematurely can end up with you being in a court room. Of course, for that to happens requires partner to share the news.
– Abigail
2 days ago
|
show 3 more comments
"other information protected by law " - the fact that layoffs are occuring may well be price-sensitive information that the company has to be careful with.
– Martin Bonner
Mar 3 at 15:06
Yes, but my second-to-last paragraph still applies to that.
– Tom
Mar 4 at 5:28
@MartinBonner Is an employees knowledge of their own impending layoff information that would be protected by law? That seems like it would be a hard one to restrict.
– JMac
Mar 4 at 13:44
"What they will do?" - It could affect the OP's redundancy payment.
– colmde
2 days ago
Sue? Well, they may. News about pending lay-offs can influence stock prices, and bringing out this news prematurely can end up with you being in a court room. Of course, for that to happens requires partner to share the news.
– Abigail
2 days ago
"other information protected by law " - the fact that layoffs are occuring may well be price-sensitive information that the company has to be careful with.
– Martin Bonner
Mar 3 at 15:06
"other information protected by law " - the fact that layoffs are occuring may well be price-sensitive information that the company has to be careful with.
– Martin Bonner
Mar 3 at 15:06
Yes, but my second-to-last paragraph still applies to that.
– Tom
Mar 4 at 5:28
Yes, but my second-to-last paragraph still applies to that.
– Tom
Mar 4 at 5:28
@MartinBonner Is an employees knowledge of their own impending layoff information that would be protected by law? That seems like it would be a hard one to restrict.
– JMac
Mar 4 at 13:44
@MartinBonner Is an employees knowledge of their own impending layoff information that would be protected by law? That seems like it would be a hard one to restrict.
– JMac
Mar 4 at 13:44
"What they will do?" - It could affect the OP's redundancy payment.
– colmde
2 days ago
"What they will do?" - It could affect the OP's redundancy payment.
– colmde
2 days ago
Sue? Well, they may. News about pending lay-offs can influence stock prices, and bringing out this news prematurely can end up with you being in a court room. Of course, for that to happens requires partner to share the news.
– Abigail
2 days ago
Sue? Well, they may. News about pending lay-offs can influence stock prices, and bringing out this news prematurely can end up with you being in a court room. Of course, for that to happens requires partner to share the news.
– Abigail
2 days ago
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I would be astonished to find a jurisdiction that did not allow you to tell your partner. Many places, your partner cannot even be compelled to testify against you, so unless your partner passed the information along, nobody would ever know. That said, in telling your partner, you do become responsible for whomever they tell, if you're in a jurisdiction that provides a reason for you to not tell whomever you want.
In any event, you can at least tell your partner that you need to find a new job, along with any headhunters, recruiters, or potential employers. There's nothing that says you'd need to explain. If pressed, you could always say, "I can't keep working there. I can't talk about it."
Looking at some of the other answers, I see people talking about layoff situations that significantly differ from my experience. I'm used to layoffs where there's generally roughly four weeks (at least in the US) between when the layoff details are "finalized" and when they take effect. In the first two weeks after that, the people who will be laid off are talked to individually and asked to keep things quiet, so that there's not panic and undue rumors. Then there's an internal general announcement, followed shortly afterwards by a media announcement, after which there's no more secrecy. The media announcement will probably be as low key as possible, so if you're not paying attention to the right news source to hear it, you won't.
They probably won't announce when the secrecy is over, though if you ask about how long they want you to keep it secret, they'll probably explain this. The secrecy is just to prevent rumors from spreading during the period when they're letting the people laid off know, and having people they're not laying off do extra job searching and having some of them leave. The media secrecy is because they can't tell the media before the company employees without rumors, even if they told all of the affected employees first.
If you're laid off with a process that doesn't have a general announcement of a layoff before you actually leave, I would personally be inclined to let your coworkers know you'll be leaving, but not why. I'd also be inclined to take the opportunity to make sure I had the contact information of any coworkers I wanted to stay in contact with, as it's much easier to get while one still has contact.
I've known some people in non-key roles handling notifying people about their exit and dissemminating their contact information with an email their last day saying, "This is my last day. I've enjoyed working with you all. Good luck on everything. My personal email address is ..." I've never heard any complaints about those people doing that, though a few times people asked their boss about the lack of two weeks notice. Invariably, the answer to those queries was, "I got two weeks notice. It's fine."
If I were working in an environment where a sudden layoff were understood to be possible, I would do a better job of being sure the people I wanted to remain in contact with had my personal contact information, to reduce the likelihood I'd need to collect contact information on my supprise last day when I'd probably be too frazzled to remember to do it.
As far as layoffs that are never announced go... I'm not sure how that differs from being fired. A lawyer from a jurisdiction where such a thing happened might be able to clarify that.
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I am not a lawyer, but as I understand it, spouses have not signed anything, so if you tell them nothing prevents the secrets to spread. Usually it doues not matter much because really, the secrets are leaking anyway and nobody cares much. But by the letter NDAs also should relate to spouses, and in hard cases are meant to be obeyed.
– max630
Mar 3 at 21:48
2
The spouse isn't barred from saying stuff, but you're on the hook for who they tell. Last sentence of my first paragraph. I'm not a lawyer, either, and no lawyer is familiar with every jurisdiction. But I have talked to a few lawyers about this general situation, many years ago.
– Ed Grimm
Mar 3 at 21:53
26
Seriously, tell your partner: "I can't keep working there. I can't talk about it." ?! They'll think you were fired for sexual harassment or something equally horrible.
– MSalters
Mar 4 at 8:28
3
On the jurisdiction, I know a few: think of medics and secrets. Doctors are not allowed to tell the name of patients to partners.
– Mayou36
Mar 4 at 10:49
Is there any actual responsibility for who you tell in this scenario? Your employer might have told you in confidence that you were laid off, but is them saying "don't tell anyone" legally binding in any way? I don't see how you would even really be responsible if your wife shared the information after you shared it with her.
– JMac
Mar 4 at 13:40
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I would be astonished to find a jurisdiction that did not allow you to tell your partner. Many places, your partner cannot even be compelled to testify against you, so unless your partner passed the information along, nobody would ever know. That said, in telling your partner, you do become responsible for whomever they tell, if you're in a jurisdiction that provides a reason for you to not tell whomever you want.
In any event, you can at least tell your partner that you need to find a new job, along with any headhunters, recruiters, or potential employers. There's nothing that says you'd need to explain. If pressed, you could always say, "I can't keep working there. I can't talk about it."
Looking at some of the other answers, I see people talking about layoff situations that significantly differ from my experience. I'm used to layoffs where there's generally roughly four weeks (at least in the US) between when the layoff details are "finalized" and when they take effect. In the first two weeks after that, the people who will be laid off are talked to individually and asked to keep things quiet, so that there's not panic and undue rumors. Then there's an internal general announcement, followed shortly afterwards by a media announcement, after which there's no more secrecy. The media announcement will probably be as low key as possible, so if you're not paying attention to the right news source to hear it, you won't.
They probably won't announce when the secrecy is over, though if you ask about how long they want you to keep it secret, they'll probably explain this. The secrecy is just to prevent rumors from spreading during the period when they're letting the people laid off know, and having people they're not laying off do extra job searching and having some of them leave. The media secrecy is because they can't tell the media before the company employees without rumors, even if they told all of the affected employees first.
If you're laid off with a process that doesn't have a general announcement of a layoff before you actually leave, I would personally be inclined to let your coworkers know you'll be leaving, but not why. I'd also be inclined to take the opportunity to make sure I had the contact information of any coworkers I wanted to stay in contact with, as it's much easier to get while one still has contact.
I've known some people in non-key roles handling notifying people about their exit and dissemminating their contact information with an email their last day saying, "This is my last day. I've enjoyed working with you all. Good luck on everything. My personal email address is ..." I've never heard any complaints about those people doing that, though a few times people asked their boss about the lack of two weeks notice. Invariably, the answer to those queries was, "I got two weeks notice. It's fine."
If I were working in an environment where a sudden layoff were understood to be possible, I would do a better job of being sure the people I wanted to remain in contact with had my personal contact information, to reduce the likelihood I'd need to collect contact information on my supprise last day when I'd probably be too frazzled to remember to do it.
As far as layoffs that are never announced go... I'm not sure how that differs from being fired. A lawyer from a jurisdiction where such a thing happened might be able to clarify that.
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I am not a lawyer, but as I understand it, spouses have not signed anything, so if you tell them nothing prevents the secrets to spread. Usually it doues not matter much because really, the secrets are leaking anyway and nobody cares much. But by the letter NDAs also should relate to spouses, and in hard cases are meant to be obeyed.
– max630
Mar 3 at 21:48
2
The spouse isn't barred from saying stuff, but you're on the hook for who they tell. Last sentence of my first paragraph. I'm not a lawyer, either, and no lawyer is familiar with every jurisdiction. But I have talked to a few lawyers about this general situation, many years ago.
– Ed Grimm
Mar 3 at 21:53
26
Seriously, tell your partner: "I can't keep working there. I can't talk about it." ?! They'll think you were fired for sexual harassment or something equally horrible.
– MSalters
Mar 4 at 8:28
3
On the jurisdiction, I know a few: think of medics and secrets. Doctors are not allowed to tell the name of patients to partners.
– Mayou36
Mar 4 at 10:49
Is there any actual responsibility for who you tell in this scenario? Your employer might have told you in confidence that you were laid off, but is them saying "don't tell anyone" legally binding in any way? I don't see how you would even really be responsible if your wife shared the information after you shared it with her.
– JMac
Mar 4 at 13:40
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show 3 more comments
I would be astonished to find a jurisdiction that did not allow you to tell your partner. Many places, your partner cannot even be compelled to testify against you, so unless your partner passed the information along, nobody would ever know. That said, in telling your partner, you do become responsible for whomever they tell, if you're in a jurisdiction that provides a reason for you to not tell whomever you want.
In any event, you can at least tell your partner that you need to find a new job, along with any headhunters, recruiters, or potential employers. There's nothing that says you'd need to explain. If pressed, you could always say, "I can't keep working there. I can't talk about it."
Looking at some of the other answers, I see people talking about layoff situations that significantly differ from my experience. I'm used to layoffs where there's generally roughly four weeks (at least in the US) between when the layoff details are "finalized" and when they take effect. In the first two weeks after that, the people who will be laid off are talked to individually and asked to keep things quiet, so that there's not panic and undue rumors. Then there's an internal general announcement, followed shortly afterwards by a media announcement, after which there's no more secrecy. The media announcement will probably be as low key as possible, so if you're not paying attention to the right news source to hear it, you won't.
They probably won't announce when the secrecy is over, though if you ask about how long they want you to keep it secret, they'll probably explain this. The secrecy is just to prevent rumors from spreading during the period when they're letting the people laid off know, and having people they're not laying off do extra job searching and having some of them leave. The media secrecy is because they can't tell the media before the company employees without rumors, even if they told all of the affected employees first.
If you're laid off with a process that doesn't have a general announcement of a layoff before you actually leave, I would personally be inclined to let your coworkers know you'll be leaving, but not why. I'd also be inclined to take the opportunity to make sure I had the contact information of any coworkers I wanted to stay in contact with, as it's much easier to get while one still has contact.
I've known some people in non-key roles handling notifying people about their exit and dissemminating their contact information with an email their last day saying, "This is my last day. I've enjoyed working with you all. Good luck on everything. My personal email address is ..." I've never heard any complaints about those people doing that, though a few times people asked their boss about the lack of two weeks notice. Invariably, the answer to those queries was, "I got two weeks notice. It's fine."
If I were working in an environment where a sudden layoff were understood to be possible, I would do a better job of being sure the people I wanted to remain in contact with had my personal contact information, to reduce the likelihood I'd need to collect contact information on my supprise last day when I'd probably be too frazzled to remember to do it.
As far as layoffs that are never announced go... I'm not sure how that differs from being fired. A lawyer from a jurisdiction where such a thing happened might be able to clarify that.
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I would be astonished to find a jurisdiction that did not allow you to tell your partner. Many places, your partner cannot even be compelled to testify against you, so unless your partner passed the information along, nobody would ever know. That said, in telling your partner, you do become responsible for whomever they tell, if you're in a jurisdiction that provides a reason for you to not tell whomever you want.
In any event, you can at least tell your partner that you need to find a new job, along with any headhunters, recruiters, or potential employers. There's nothing that says you'd need to explain. If pressed, you could always say, "I can't keep working there. I can't talk about it."
Looking at some of the other answers, I see people talking about layoff situations that significantly differ from my experience. I'm used to layoffs where there's generally roughly four weeks (at least in the US) between when the layoff details are "finalized" and when they take effect. In the first two weeks after that, the people who will be laid off are talked to individually and asked to keep things quiet, so that there's not panic and undue rumors. Then there's an internal general announcement, followed shortly afterwards by a media announcement, after which there's no more secrecy. The media announcement will probably be as low key as possible, so if you're not paying attention to the right news source to hear it, you won't.
They probably won't announce when the secrecy is over, though if you ask about how long they want you to keep it secret, they'll probably explain this. The secrecy is just to prevent rumors from spreading during the period when they're letting the people laid off know, and having people they're not laying off do extra job searching and having some of them leave. The media secrecy is because they can't tell the media before the company employees without rumors, even if they told all of the affected employees first.
If you're laid off with a process that doesn't have a general announcement of a layoff before you actually leave, I would personally be inclined to let your coworkers know you'll be leaving, but not why. I'd also be inclined to take the opportunity to make sure I had the contact information of any coworkers I wanted to stay in contact with, as it's much easier to get while one still has contact.
I've known some people in non-key roles handling notifying people about their exit and dissemminating their contact information with an email their last day saying, "This is my last day. I've enjoyed working with you all. Good luck on everything. My personal email address is ..." I've never heard any complaints about those people doing that, though a few times people asked their boss about the lack of two weeks notice. Invariably, the answer to those queries was, "I got two weeks notice. It's fine."
If I were working in an environment where a sudden layoff were understood to be possible, I would do a better job of being sure the people I wanted to remain in contact with had my personal contact information, to reduce the likelihood I'd need to collect contact information on my supprise last day when I'd probably be too frazzled to remember to do it.
As far as layoffs that are never announced go... I'm not sure how that differs from being fired. A lawyer from a jurisdiction where such a thing happened might be able to clarify that.
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I am not a lawyer, but as I understand it, spouses have not signed anything, so if you tell them nothing prevents the secrets to spread. Usually it doues not matter much because really, the secrets are leaking anyway and nobody cares much. But by the letter NDAs also should relate to spouses, and in hard cases are meant to be obeyed.
– max630
Mar 3 at 21:48
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The spouse isn't barred from saying stuff, but you're on the hook for who they tell. Last sentence of my first paragraph. I'm not a lawyer, either, and no lawyer is familiar with every jurisdiction. But I have talked to a few lawyers about this general situation, many years ago.
– Ed Grimm
Mar 3 at 21:53
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Seriously, tell your partner: "I can't keep working there. I can't talk about it." ?! They'll think you were fired for sexual harassment or something equally horrible.
– MSalters
Mar 4 at 8:28
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On the jurisdiction, I know a few: think of medics and secrets. Doctors are not allowed to tell the name of patients to partners.
– Mayou36
Mar 4 at 10:49
Is there any actual responsibility for who you tell in this scenario? Your employer might have told you in confidence that you were laid off, but is them saying "don't tell anyone" legally binding in any way? I don't see how you would even really be responsible if your wife shared the information after you shared it with her.
– JMac
Mar 4 at 13:40
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I am not a lawyer, but as I understand it, spouses have not signed anything, so if you tell them nothing prevents the secrets to spread. Usually it doues not matter much because really, the secrets are leaking anyway and nobody cares much. But by the letter NDAs also should relate to spouses, and in hard cases are meant to be obeyed.
– max630
Mar 3 at 21:48
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The spouse isn't barred from saying stuff, but you're on the hook for who they tell. Last sentence of my first paragraph. I'm not a lawyer, either, and no lawyer is familiar with every jurisdiction. But I have talked to a few lawyers about this general situation, many years ago.
– Ed Grimm
Mar 3 at 21:53
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Seriously, tell your partner: "I can't keep working there. I can't talk about it." ?! They'll think you were fired for sexual harassment or something equally horrible.
– MSalters
Mar 4 at 8:28
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On the jurisdiction, I know a few: think of medics and secrets. Doctors are not allowed to tell the name of patients to partners.
– Mayou36
Mar 4 at 10:49
Is there any actual responsibility for who you tell in this scenario? Your employer might have told you in confidence that you were laid off, but is them saying "don't tell anyone" legally binding in any way? I don't see how you would even really be responsible if your wife shared the information after you shared it with her.
– JMac
Mar 4 at 13:40
1
1
I am not a lawyer, but as I understand it, spouses have not signed anything, so if you tell them nothing prevents the secrets to spread. Usually it doues not matter much because really, the secrets are leaking anyway and nobody cares much. But by the letter NDAs also should relate to spouses, and in hard cases are meant to be obeyed.
– max630
Mar 3 at 21:48
I am not a lawyer, but as I understand it, spouses have not signed anything, so if you tell them nothing prevents the secrets to spread. Usually it doues not matter much because really, the secrets are leaking anyway and nobody cares much. But by the letter NDAs also should relate to spouses, and in hard cases are meant to be obeyed.
– max630
Mar 3 at 21:48
2
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The spouse isn't barred from saying stuff, but you're on the hook for who they tell. Last sentence of my first paragraph. I'm not a lawyer, either, and no lawyer is familiar with every jurisdiction. But I have talked to a few lawyers about this general situation, many years ago.
– Ed Grimm
Mar 3 at 21:53
The spouse isn't barred from saying stuff, but you're on the hook for who they tell. Last sentence of my first paragraph. I'm not a lawyer, either, and no lawyer is familiar with every jurisdiction. But I have talked to a few lawyers about this general situation, many years ago.
– Ed Grimm
Mar 3 at 21:53
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Seriously, tell your partner: "I can't keep working there. I can't talk about it." ?! They'll think you were fired for sexual harassment or something equally horrible.
– MSalters
Mar 4 at 8:28
Seriously, tell your partner: "I can't keep working there. I can't talk about it." ?! They'll think you were fired for sexual harassment or something equally horrible.
– MSalters
Mar 4 at 8:28
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3
On the jurisdiction, I know a few: think of medics and secrets. Doctors are not allowed to tell the name of patients to partners.
– Mayou36
Mar 4 at 10:49
On the jurisdiction, I know a few: think of medics and secrets. Doctors are not allowed to tell the name of patients to partners.
– Mayou36
Mar 4 at 10:49
Is there any actual responsibility for who you tell in this scenario? Your employer might have told you in confidence that you were laid off, but is them saying "don't tell anyone" legally binding in any way? I don't see how you would even really be responsible if your wife shared the information after you shared it with her.
– JMac
Mar 4 at 13:40
Is there any actual responsibility for who you tell in this scenario? Your employer might have told you in confidence that you were laid off, but is them saying "don't tell anyone" legally binding in any way? I don't see how you would even really be responsible if your wife shared the information after you shared it with her.
– JMac
Mar 4 at 13:40
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They mean "anyone outside this room who also works here."
They do not mean your partner/spouse. Of course you can tell your partner/spouse.
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I imagine that this restriction would also extend to not talking to the media or other people of that nature
– Zac Faragher
Mar 4 at 0:25
It seems common sense....+1
– Rui F Ribeiro
Mar 4 at 8:29
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And customers, suppliers and other partners. If the company is public, it also includes the general public as there are then issues with disclosure, insider trading, etc.
– jcaron
Mar 4 at 12:58
Rephrased: "anyone outside this room who also has a business relationship with the company". This includes co-workers, customers, suppliers, and partners. Also includes the media and the like, as informing them implicitly informs "co-workers, customers, suppliers, etc".
– Iiridayn
23 hours ago
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They mean "anyone outside this room who also works here."
They do not mean your partner/spouse. Of course you can tell your partner/spouse.
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I imagine that this restriction would also extend to not talking to the media or other people of that nature
– Zac Faragher
Mar 4 at 0:25
It seems common sense....+1
– Rui F Ribeiro
Mar 4 at 8:29
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And customers, suppliers and other partners. If the company is public, it also includes the general public as there are then issues with disclosure, insider trading, etc.
– jcaron
Mar 4 at 12:58
Rephrased: "anyone outside this room who also has a business relationship with the company". This includes co-workers, customers, suppliers, and partners. Also includes the media and the like, as informing them implicitly informs "co-workers, customers, suppliers, etc".
– Iiridayn
23 hours ago
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They mean "anyone outside this room who also works here."
They do not mean your partner/spouse. Of course you can tell your partner/spouse.
They mean "anyone outside this room who also works here."
They do not mean your partner/spouse. Of course you can tell your partner/spouse.
answered Mar 4 at 0:09
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I imagine that this restriction would also extend to not talking to the media or other people of that nature
– Zac Faragher
Mar 4 at 0:25
It seems common sense....+1
– Rui F Ribeiro
Mar 4 at 8:29
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And customers, suppliers and other partners. If the company is public, it also includes the general public as there are then issues with disclosure, insider trading, etc.
– jcaron
Mar 4 at 12:58
Rephrased: "anyone outside this room who also has a business relationship with the company". This includes co-workers, customers, suppliers, and partners. Also includes the media and the like, as informing them implicitly informs "co-workers, customers, suppliers, etc".
– Iiridayn
23 hours ago
add a comment |
10
I imagine that this restriction would also extend to not talking to the media or other people of that nature
– Zac Faragher
Mar 4 at 0:25
It seems common sense....+1
– Rui F Ribeiro
Mar 4 at 8:29
7
And customers, suppliers and other partners. If the company is public, it also includes the general public as there are then issues with disclosure, insider trading, etc.
– jcaron
Mar 4 at 12:58
Rephrased: "anyone outside this room who also has a business relationship with the company". This includes co-workers, customers, suppliers, and partners. Also includes the media and the like, as informing them implicitly informs "co-workers, customers, suppliers, etc".
– Iiridayn
23 hours ago
10
10
I imagine that this restriction would also extend to not talking to the media or other people of that nature
– Zac Faragher
Mar 4 at 0:25
I imagine that this restriction would also extend to not talking to the media or other people of that nature
– Zac Faragher
Mar 4 at 0:25
It seems common sense....+1
– Rui F Ribeiro
Mar 4 at 8:29
It seems common sense....+1
– Rui F Ribeiro
Mar 4 at 8:29
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7
And customers, suppliers and other partners. If the company is public, it also includes the general public as there are then issues with disclosure, insider trading, etc.
– jcaron
Mar 4 at 12:58
And customers, suppliers and other partners. If the company is public, it also includes the general public as there are then issues with disclosure, insider trading, etc.
– jcaron
Mar 4 at 12:58
Rephrased: "anyone outside this room who also has a business relationship with the company". This includes co-workers, customers, suppliers, and partners. Also includes the media and the like, as informing them implicitly informs "co-workers, customers, suppliers, etc".
– Iiridayn
23 hours ago
Rephrased: "anyone outside this room who also has a business relationship with the company". This includes co-workers, customers, suppliers, and partners. Also includes the media and the like, as informing them implicitly informs "co-workers, customers, suppliers, etc".
– Iiridayn
23 hours ago
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Only you know your specific circumstances, but I can offer an example of a situation similar to yours.
I have been laid off in corporate restructurings 5 times in my 20 years (I work in a technology field, so this is common). In one case, the HR person asked me not to discuss my layoff with others at the company while I was still permitted to be in the building. Her hope was that I would collect my things discreetly and leave. I considered her request to be reasonable and I left. I even offered to return to the company at a later time to collect my personal things when folks were not expected to be in the office and she agreed to help do this. I think we both were able to make the best out of a bad situation.
Layoffs are tough, yet if you are asked to behave in odd ways by the people letting you, you can every obligation to clarify their expectations and to act professionally.
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This highlights one of the things I find amusing about some HR people: They insult the intelligence of your co-workers by thinking nobody's going to notice that you're no longer there if you go quietly.
– Blrfl
Mar 3 at 12:46
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In most of the layoffs that I've witnessed, they told everyone they gave an early heads up about the layoff to not tell anyone. But a week or two later, before anyone who was being laid off was actually fired, they made a general announcement. After that announcement, there was no further secrecy desired, even if they didn't explicitly say that. An immediate layoff like this with secrecy seems like a very different thing.
– Ed Grimm
Mar 3 at 21:40
@EdGrimm To me it reads like the OP was sent home for the day only (to absorb the news as they said), with the layoffs taking effect later.
– Matthew Read
yesterday
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Only you know your specific circumstances, but I can offer an example of a situation similar to yours.
I have been laid off in corporate restructurings 5 times in my 20 years (I work in a technology field, so this is common). In one case, the HR person asked me not to discuss my layoff with others at the company while I was still permitted to be in the building. Her hope was that I would collect my things discreetly and leave. I considered her request to be reasonable and I left. I even offered to return to the company at a later time to collect my personal things when folks were not expected to be in the office and she agreed to help do this. I think we both were able to make the best out of a bad situation.
Layoffs are tough, yet if you are asked to behave in odd ways by the people letting you, you can every obligation to clarify their expectations and to act professionally.
32
This highlights one of the things I find amusing about some HR people: They insult the intelligence of your co-workers by thinking nobody's going to notice that you're no longer there if you go quietly.
– Blrfl
Mar 3 at 12:46
1
In most of the layoffs that I've witnessed, they told everyone they gave an early heads up about the layoff to not tell anyone. But a week or two later, before anyone who was being laid off was actually fired, they made a general announcement. After that announcement, there was no further secrecy desired, even if they didn't explicitly say that. An immediate layoff like this with secrecy seems like a very different thing.
– Ed Grimm
Mar 3 at 21:40
@EdGrimm To me it reads like the OP was sent home for the day only (to absorb the news as they said), with the layoffs taking effect later.
– Matthew Read
yesterday
add a comment |
Only you know your specific circumstances, but I can offer an example of a situation similar to yours.
I have been laid off in corporate restructurings 5 times in my 20 years (I work in a technology field, so this is common). In one case, the HR person asked me not to discuss my layoff with others at the company while I was still permitted to be in the building. Her hope was that I would collect my things discreetly and leave. I considered her request to be reasonable and I left. I even offered to return to the company at a later time to collect my personal things when folks were not expected to be in the office and she agreed to help do this. I think we both were able to make the best out of a bad situation.
Layoffs are tough, yet if you are asked to behave in odd ways by the people letting you, you can every obligation to clarify their expectations and to act professionally.
Only you know your specific circumstances, but I can offer an example of a situation similar to yours.
I have been laid off in corporate restructurings 5 times in my 20 years (I work in a technology field, so this is common). In one case, the HR person asked me not to discuss my layoff with others at the company while I was still permitted to be in the building. Her hope was that I would collect my things discreetly and leave. I considered her request to be reasonable and I left. I even offered to return to the company at a later time to collect my personal things when folks were not expected to be in the office and she agreed to help do this. I think we both were able to make the best out of a bad situation.
Layoffs are tough, yet if you are asked to behave in odd ways by the people letting you, you can every obligation to clarify their expectations and to act professionally.
answered Mar 3 at 4:51
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This highlights one of the things I find amusing about some HR people: They insult the intelligence of your co-workers by thinking nobody's going to notice that you're no longer there if you go quietly.
– Blrfl
Mar 3 at 12:46
1
In most of the layoffs that I've witnessed, they told everyone they gave an early heads up about the layoff to not tell anyone. But a week or two later, before anyone who was being laid off was actually fired, they made a general announcement. After that announcement, there was no further secrecy desired, even if they didn't explicitly say that. An immediate layoff like this with secrecy seems like a very different thing.
– Ed Grimm
Mar 3 at 21:40
@EdGrimm To me it reads like the OP was sent home for the day only (to absorb the news as they said), with the layoffs taking effect later.
– Matthew Read
yesterday
add a comment |
32
This highlights one of the things I find amusing about some HR people: They insult the intelligence of your co-workers by thinking nobody's going to notice that you're no longer there if you go quietly.
– Blrfl
Mar 3 at 12:46
1
In most of the layoffs that I've witnessed, they told everyone they gave an early heads up about the layoff to not tell anyone. But a week or two later, before anyone who was being laid off was actually fired, they made a general announcement. After that announcement, there was no further secrecy desired, even if they didn't explicitly say that. An immediate layoff like this with secrecy seems like a very different thing.
– Ed Grimm
Mar 3 at 21:40
@EdGrimm To me it reads like the OP was sent home for the day only (to absorb the news as they said), with the layoffs taking effect later.
– Matthew Read
yesterday
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This highlights one of the things I find amusing about some HR people: They insult the intelligence of your co-workers by thinking nobody's going to notice that you're no longer there if you go quietly.
– Blrfl
Mar 3 at 12:46
This highlights one of the things I find amusing about some HR people: They insult the intelligence of your co-workers by thinking nobody's going to notice that you're no longer there if you go quietly.
– Blrfl
Mar 3 at 12:46
1
1
In most of the layoffs that I've witnessed, they told everyone they gave an early heads up about the layoff to not tell anyone. But a week or two later, before anyone who was being laid off was actually fired, they made a general announcement. After that announcement, there was no further secrecy desired, even if they didn't explicitly say that. An immediate layoff like this with secrecy seems like a very different thing.
– Ed Grimm
Mar 3 at 21:40
In most of the layoffs that I've witnessed, they told everyone they gave an early heads up about the layoff to not tell anyone. But a week or two later, before anyone who was being laid off was actually fired, they made a general announcement. After that announcement, there was no further secrecy desired, even if they didn't explicitly say that. An immediate layoff like this with secrecy seems like a very different thing.
– Ed Grimm
Mar 3 at 21:40
@EdGrimm To me it reads like the OP was sent home for the day only (to absorb the news as they said), with the layoffs taking effect later.
– Matthew Read
yesterday
@EdGrimm To me it reads like the OP was sent home for the day only (to absorb the news as they said), with the layoffs taking effect later.
– Matthew Read
yesterday
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Of course, your co-workers need to know that you are leaving the company and that they need to plan accordingly. If they didn't know they would just notice that you do not show up anymore and would not have an explanation of the reason and the duration.
You will need to tell that you have been laid off to recruiters why hunting for a new job. And – depending on your jurisdiction – you might have the obligation to register yourself as jobless to receive unemployment benefits.
And of course, your partner needs to know!
This is an unusual request and IMHO doesn't make much sense to keep the fact that you have been laid off confidential. What might make sense would be if they asked you to keep the reason for being laid off confidential. Or if they asked you to not immediately inform your co-workers, because they want to tell this information.
If I was laid off and either the company offered me something in exchange nor the reason for being laid off is confidential on itself (for example because of my contract), I would not keep this information confidential. I would talk to my co-workers before I leave, explaining the situation. The people you worked closely together with deserve to know the facts and that you have the chance to say good-bye. And of cause, I would tell my partner immediately.
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Partner yes, co-workers no - the whole point of asking for news not to be leaked is that co-workers who are likely to be affected (and who may also be in line to be laid off, you don't know that) should find out via an official announcement or a talk with their manager. Gossip about layoffs that haven't been formally announced could lead to people panicking unnecessarily or taking inappropriate actions to protect their own position.
– Julia Hayward
Mar 3 at 8:37
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@JuliaHayward As I wrote in the fourth paragraph. I have been a company in which people just disappeared and the manager didn't tell the team about it. Therefore I think it is reasonable that the company ask not to share this information immediately with your co-workers. But if the management hasn't officially informed the team on your last day then your team deserve that you tell them before that you are leaving and say good-bye.
– spickermann
Mar 3 at 8:44
@spickermann: Do you work in Airstrip One, or Argentina, by chance?
– dotancohen
Mar 3 at 15:26
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Of course, your co-workers need to know that you are leaving the company and that they need to plan accordingly. If they didn't know they would just notice that you do not show up anymore and would not have an explanation of the reason and the duration.
You will need to tell that you have been laid off to recruiters why hunting for a new job. And – depending on your jurisdiction – you might have the obligation to register yourself as jobless to receive unemployment benefits.
And of course, your partner needs to know!
This is an unusual request and IMHO doesn't make much sense to keep the fact that you have been laid off confidential. What might make sense would be if they asked you to keep the reason for being laid off confidential. Or if they asked you to not immediately inform your co-workers, because they want to tell this information.
If I was laid off and either the company offered me something in exchange nor the reason for being laid off is confidential on itself (for example because of my contract), I would not keep this information confidential. I would talk to my co-workers before I leave, explaining the situation. The people you worked closely together with deserve to know the facts and that you have the chance to say good-bye. And of cause, I would tell my partner immediately.
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Partner yes, co-workers no - the whole point of asking for news not to be leaked is that co-workers who are likely to be affected (and who may also be in line to be laid off, you don't know that) should find out via an official announcement or a talk with their manager. Gossip about layoffs that haven't been formally announced could lead to people panicking unnecessarily or taking inappropriate actions to protect their own position.
– Julia Hayward
Mar 3 at 8:37
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@JuliaHayward As I wrote in the fourth paragraph. I have been a company in which people just disappeared and the manager didn't tell the team about it. Therefore I think it is reasonable that the company ask not to share this information immediately with your co-workers. But if the management hasn't officially informed the team on your last day then your team deserve that you tell them before that you are leaving and say good-bye.
– spickermann
Mar 3 at 8:44
@spickermann: Do you work in Airstrip One, or Argentina, by chance?
– dotancohen
Mar 3 at 15:26
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Of course, your co-workers need to know that you are leaving the company and that they need to plan accordingly. If they didn't know they would just notice that you do not show up anymore and would not have an explanation of the reason and the duration.
You will need to tell that you have been laid off to recruiters why hunting for a new job. And – depending on your jurisdiction – you might have the obligation to register yourself as jobless to receive unemployment benefits.
And of course, your partner needs to know!
This is an unusual request and IMHO doesn't make much sense to keep the fact that you have been laid off confidential. What might make sense would be if they asked you to keep the reason for being laid off confidential. Or if they asked you to not immediately inform your co-workers, because they want to tell this information.
If I was laid off and either the company offered me something in exchange nor the reason for being laid off is confidential on itself (for example because of my contract), I would not keep this information confidential. I would talk to my co-workers before I leave, explaining the situation. The people you worked closely together with deserve to know the facts and that you have the chance to say good-bye. And of cause, I would tell my partner immediately.
Of course, your co-workers need to know that you are leaving the company and that they need to plan accordingly. If they didn't know they would just notice that you do not show up anymore and would not have an explanation of the reason and the duration.
You will need to tell that you have been laid off to recruiters why hunting for a new job. And – depending on your jurisdiction – you might have the obligation to register yourself as jobless to receive unemployment benefits.
And of course, your partner needs to know!
This is an unusual request and IMHO doesn't make much sense to keep the fact that you have been laid off confidential. What might make sense would be if they asked you to keep the reason for being laid off confidential. Or if they asked you to not immediately inform your co-workers, because they want to tell this information.
If I was laid off and either the company offered me something in exchange nor the reason for being laid off is confidential on itself (for example because of my contract), I would not keep this information confidential. I would talk to my co-workers before I leave, explaining the situation. The people you worked closely together with deserve to know the facts and that you have the chance to say good-bye. And of cause, I would tell my partner immediately.
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Partner yes, co-workers no - the whole point of asking for news not to be leaked is that co-workers who are likely to be affected (and who may also be in line to be laid off, you don't know that) should find out via an official announcement or a talk with their manager. Gossip about layoffs that haven't been formally announced could lead to people panicking unnecessarily or taking inappropriate actions to protect their own position.
– Julia Hayward
Mar 3 at 8:37
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@JuliaHayward As I wrote in the fourth paragraph. I have been a company in which people just disappeared and the manager didn't tell the team about it. Therefore I think it is reasonable that the company ask not to share this information immediately with your co-workers. But if the management hasn't officially informed the team on your last day then your team deserve that you tell them before that you are leaving and say good-bye.
– spickermann
Mar 3 at 8:44
@spickermann: Do you work in Airstrip One, or Argentina, by chance?
– dotancohen
Mar 3 at 15:26
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Partner yes, co-workers no - the whole point of asking for news not to be leaked is that co-workers who are likely to be affected (and who may also be in line to be laid off, you don't know that) should find out via an official announcement or a talk with their manager. Gossip about layoffs that haven't been formally announced could lead to people panicking unnecessarily or taking inappropriate actions to protect their own position.
– Julia Hayward
Mar 3 at 8:37
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@JuliaHayward As I wrote in the fourth paragraph. I have been a company in which people just disappeared and the manager didn't tell the team about it. Therefore I think it is reasonable that the company ask not to share this information immediately with your co-workers. But if the management hasn't officially informed the team on your last day then your team deserve that you tell them before that you are leaving and say good-bye.
– spickermann
Mar 3 at 8:44
@spickermann: Do you work in Airstrip One, or Argentina, by chance?
– dotancohen
Mar 3 at 15:26
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Partner yes, co-workers no - the whole point of asking for news not to be leaked is that co-workers who are likely to be affected (and who may also be in line to be laid off, you don't know that) should find out via an official announcement or a talk with their manager. Gossip about layoffs that haven't been formally announced could lead to people panicking unnecessarily or taking inappropriate actions to protect their own position.
– Julia Hayward
Mar 3 at 8:37
Partner yes, co-workers no - the whole point of asking for news not to be leaked is that co-workers who are likely to be affected (and who may also be in line to be laid off, you don't know that) should find out via an official announcement or a talk with their manager. Gossip about layoffs that haven't been formally announced could lead to people panicking unnecessarily or taking inappropriate actions to protect their own position.
– Julia Hayward
Mar 3 at 8:37
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@JuliaHayward As I wrote in the fourth paragraph. I have been a company in which people just disappeared and the manager didn't tell the team about it. Therefore I think it is reasonable that the company ask not to share this information immediately with your co-workers. But if the management hasn't officially informed the team on your last day then your team deserve that you tell them before that you are leaving and say good-bye.
– spickermann
Mar 3 at 8:44
@JuliaHayward As I wrote in the fourth paragraph. I have been a company in which people just disappeared and the manager didn't tell the team about it. Therefore I think it is reasonable that the company ask not to share this information immediately with your co-workers. But if the management hasn't officially informed the team on your last day then your team deserve that you tell them before that you are leaving and say good-bye.
– spickermann
Mar 3 at 8:44
@spickermann: Do you work in Airstrip One, or Argentina, by chance?
– dotancohen
Mar 3 at 15:26
@spickermann: Do you work in Airstrip One, or Argentina, by chance?
– dotancohen
Mar 3 at 15:26
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It's very unlikely that your company has any authority to prevent you from telling family or friends about the layoff. If it's not already part of your contract, then you're likely in the clear.
Be aware, though, that there is an important reason why you should be careful here. Layoffs are frequently the result of a poor financial state. If the layoffs have not yet been announced publicly, you tell your family about the layoffs, and then a family member sells some of their stock in the company, then they could be charged with insider trading (or a similar offense). If you do choose to tell someone about the layoffs, make sure that they are aware of the consequences of acting on that information before it becomes public knowledge.
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It's very unlikely that your company has any authority to prevent you from telling family or friends about the layoff. If it's not already part of your contract, then you're likely in the clear.
Be aware, though, that there is an important reason why you should be careful here. Layoffs are frequently the result of a poor financial state. If the layoffs have not yet been announced publicly, you tell your family about the layoffs, and then a family member sells some of their stock in the company, then they could be charged with insider trading (or a similar offense). If you do choose to tell someone about the layoffs, make sure that they are aware of the consequences of acting on that information before it becomes public knowledge.
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It's very unlikely that your company has any authority to prevent you from telling family or friends about the layoff. If it's not already part of your contract, then you're likely in the clear.
Be aware, though, that there is an important reason why you should be careful here. Layoffs are frequently the result of a poor financial state. If the layoffs have not yet been announced publicly, you tell your family about the layoffs, and then a family member sells some of their stock in the company, then they could be charged with insider trading (or a similar offense). If you do choose to tell someone about the layoffs, make sure that they are aware of the consequences of acting on that information before it becomes public knowledge.
It's very unlikely that your company has any authority to prevent you from telling family or friends about the layoff. If it's not already part of your contract, then you're likely in the clear.
Be aware, though, that there is an important reason why you should be careful here. Layoffs are frequently the result of a poor financial state. If the layoffs have not yet been announced publicly, you tell your family about the layoffs, and then a family member sells some of their stock in the company, then they could be charged with insider trading (or a similar offense). If you do choose to tell someone about the layoffs, make sure that they are aware of the consequences of acting on that information before it becomes public knowledge.
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This is an unfortunate situation. What you need to do is get the person who laid you off to give you a reference letter. Hopefully they'll oblige. If not use the period of silence to extract something from your coworkers. This secrecy seems peculiar, but it exists, and you need to maximize your remaining time at this company. If it's not personal, then your boss should be happy to help you out in this manner.
If they are unwilling, ask someone else. Be discreet, but be sure that you keep in mind the reason for this discretion is because you want a reference. Really, that should have been offered to you at the announcement.
Do not hide the fact that you got laid off from your partner. That's a sitcom plot, not a real life strategy. The key here as I see it is to spend the time you are given "to absorb the news," getting that recommendation. It's not a given that people will write 4 or 5 of them. Your time here is over, use the time of discretion to set yourself up for the job search.
Good luck.
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use the period of silence to extract something from your coworkers -- You mean, like, if one of your office mates has a set of headphones you've always admired, this would be a good time to borrow them?
– A. I. Breveleri
Mar 3 at 17:32
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@A.I.Breveleri We have here a precedent in Workplace, cant remember exacly the specifics, someone who collected 1.5K for a lottery, or event, and then disappeared for good.
– Rui F Ribeiro
Mar 4 at 8:30
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This is an unfortunate situation. What you need to do is get the person who laid you off to give you a reference letter. Hopefully they'll oblige. If not use the period of silence to extract something from your coworkers. This secrecy seems peculiar, but it exists, and you need to maximize your remaining time at this company. If it's not personal, then your boss should be happy to help you out in this manner.
If they are unwilling, ask someone else. Be discreet, but be sure that you keep in mind the reason for this discretion is because you want a reference. Really, that should have been offered to you at the announcement.
Do not hide the fact that you got laid off from your partner. That's a sitcom plot, not a real life strategy. The key here as I see it is to spend the time you are given "to absorb the news," getting that recommendation. It's not a given that people will write 4 or 5 of them. Your time here is over, use the time of discretion to set yourself up for the job search.
Good luck.
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use the period of silence to extract something from your coworkers -- You mean, like, if one of your office mates has a set of headphones you've always admired, this would be a good time to borrow them?
– A. I. Breveleri
Mar 3 at 17:32
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@A.I.Breveleri We have here a precedent in Workplace, cant remember exacly the specifics, someone who collected 1.5K for a lottery, or event, and then disappeared for good.
– Rui F Ribeiro
Mar 4 at 8:30
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This is an unfortunate situation. What you need to do is get the person who laid you off to give you a reference letter. Hopefully they'll oblige. If not use the period of silence to extract something from your coworkers. This secrecy seems peculiar, but it exists, and you need to maximize your remaining time at this company. If it's not personal, then your boss should be happy to help you out in this manner.
If they are unwilling, ask someone else. Be discreet, but be sure that you keep in mind the reason for this discretion is because you want a reference. Really, that should have been offered to you at the announcement.
Do not hide the fact that you got laid off from your partner. That's a sitcom plot, not a real life strategy. The key here as I see it is to spend the time you are given "to absorb the news," getting that recommendation. It's not a given that people will write 4 or 5 of them. Your time here is over, use the time of discretion to set yourself up for the job search.
Good luck.
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This is an unfortunate situation. What you need to do is get the person who laid you off to give you a reference letter. Hopefully they'll oblige. If not use the period of silence to extract something from your coworkers. This secrecy seems peculiar, but it exists, and you need to maximize your remaining time at this company. If it's not personal, then your boss should be happy to help you out in this manner.
If they are unwilling, ask someone else. Be discreet, but be sure that you keep in mind the reason for this discretion is because you want a reference. Really, that should have been offered to you at the announcement.
Do not hide the fact that you got laid off from your partner. That's a sitcom plot, not a real life strategy. The key here as I see it is to spend the time you are given "to absorb the news," getting that recommendation. It's not a given that people will write 4 or 5 of them. Your time here is over, use the time of discretion to set yourself up for the job search.
Good luck.
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use the period of silence to extract something from your coworkers -- You mean, like, if one of your office mates has a set of headphones you've always admired, this would be a good time to borrow them?
– A. I. Breveleri
Mar 3 at 17:32
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@A.I.Breveleri We have here a precedent in Workplace, cant remember exacly the specifics, someone who collected 1.5K for a lottery, or event, and then disappeared for good.
– Rui F Ribeiro
Mar 4 at 8:30
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use the period of silence to extract something from your coworkers -- You mean, like, if one of your office mates has a set of headphones you've always admired, this would be a good time to borrow them?
– A. I. Breveleri
Mar 3 at 17:32
2
@A.I.Breveleri We have here a precedent in Workplace, cant remember exacly the specifics, someone who collected 1.5K for a lottery, or event, and then disappeared for good.
– Rui F Ribeiro
Mar 4 at 8:30
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use the period of silence to extract something from your coworkers -- You mean, like, if one of your office mates has a set of headphones you've always admired, this would be a good time to borrow them?
– A. I. Breveleri
Mar 3 at 17:32
use the period of silence to extract something from your coworkers -- You mean, like, if one of your office mates has a set of headphones you've always admired, this would be a good time to borrow them?
– A. I. Breveleri
Mar 3 at 17:32
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@A.I.Breveleri We have here a precedent in Workplace, cant remember exacly the specifics, someone who collected 1.5K for a lottery, or event, and then disappeared for good.
– Rui F Ribeiro
Mar 4 at 8:30
@A.I.Breveleri We have here a precedent in Workplace, cant remember exacly the specifics, someone who collected 1.5K for a lottery, or event, and then disappeared for good.
– Rui F Ribeiro
Mar 4 at 8:30
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In many places it would actually be illegal to put such restrictions on you, or rather to retaliate if you did tell someone. After all, they are making you redundant so you need another job, and one of the standard questions is "why are you leaving?" They can't expect you to lie for them.
In any case, you can definitely tell your spouse. They likely only mean other people at work anyway.
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In many places it would actually be illegal to put such restrictions on you, or rather to retaliate if you did tell someone. After all, they are making you redundant so you need another job, and one of the standard questions is "why are you leaving?" They can't expect you to lie for them.
In any case, you can definitely tell your spouse. They likely only mean other people at work anyway.
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In many places it would actually be illegal to put such restrictions on you, or rather to retaliate if you did tell someone. After all, they are making you redundant so you need another job, and one of the standard questions is "why are you leaving?" They can't expect you to lie for them.
In any case, you can definitely tell your spouse. They likely only mean other people at work anyway.
In many places it would actually be illegal to put such restrictions on you, or rather to retaliate if you did tell someone. After all, they are making you redundant so you need another job, and one of the standard questions is "why are you leaving?" They can't expect you to lie for them.
In any case, you can definitely tell your spouse. They likely only mean other people at work anyway.
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The value of marital harmony is immense - whereas you're not married to the job. (partnerial harmony? domestic harmony? you get the idea.) Your other half needs to know the change in both your circumstances ASAP.
Telling any kids are a grey area.
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The value of marital harmony is immense - whereas you're not married to the job. (partnerial harmony? domestic harmony? you get the idea.) Your other half needs to know the change in both your circumstances ASAP.
Telling any kids are a grey area.
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The value of marital harmony is immense - whereas you're not married to the job. (partnerial harmony? domestic harmony? you get the idea.) Your other half needs to know the change in both your circumstances ASAP.
Telling any kids are a grey area.
The value of marital harmony is immense - whereas you're not married to the job. (partnerial harmony? domestic harmony? you get the idea.) Your other half needs to know the change in both your circumstances ASAP.
Telling any kids are a grey area.
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I would get as much money as I had together and I would short the company as when they do release the news you'll make a few quid.
But no, they cannot expect you to not tell anyone, especially if they've not forced you to sign an NDA about it
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Ok well this would be a clear case of insider trading...
– TheSaint321
17 hours ago
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This isn't even financially lucrative unethical advice. Sometimes layoffs make stock go up, because they say "look, we cut our operating costs. Our EBITDA has gone up. In the short term, we're even more profitable now." I've worked at a company who laid off 14 people (13 were valuable employees) with literally nothing to gain except for short-term EBITDA increase. Shortly after that, the CEO retired and presumably cashed out his stock as well. Related info: the CEO was relatively young, had only been CEO for about 3 years, and always prioritized EBITDA highly.
– John
16 hours ago
Isn't this illegal in most places?
– grav
4 hours ago
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I would get as much money as I had together and I would short the company as when they do release the news you'll make a few quid.
But no, they cannot expect you to not tell anyone, especially if they've not forced you to sign an NDA about it
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Ok well this would be a clear case of insider trading...
– TheSaint321
17 hours ago
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This isn't even financially lucrative unethical advice. Sometimes layoffs make stock go up, because they say "look, we cut our operating costs. Our EBITDA has gone up. In the short term, we're even more profitable now." I've worked at a company who laid off 14 people (13 were valuable employees) with literally nothing to gain except for short-term EBITDA increase. Shortly after that, the CEO retired and presumably cashed out his stock as well. Related info: the CEO was relatively young, had only been CEO for about 3 years, and always prioritized EBITDA highly.
– John
16 hours ago
Isn't this illegal in most places?
– grav
4 hours ago
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I would get as much money as I had together and I would short the company as when they do release the news you'll make a few quid.
But no, they cannot expect you to not tell anyone, especially if they've not forced you to sign an NDA about it
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I would get as much money as I had together and I would short the company as when they do release the news you'll make a few quid.
But no, they cannot expect you to not tell anyone, especially if they've not forced you to sign an NDA about it
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Ok well this would be a clear case of insider trading...
– TheSaint321
17 hours ago
1
This isn't even financially lucrative unethical advice. Sometimes layoffs make stock go up, because they say "look, we cut our operating costs. Our EBITDA has gone up. In the short term, we're even more profitable now." I've worked at a company who laid off 14 people (13 were valuable employees) with literally nothing to gain except for short-term EBITDA increase. Shortly after that, the CEO retired and presumably cashed out his stock as well. Related info: the CEO was relatively young, had only been CEO for about 3 years, and always prioritized EBITDA highly.
– John
16 hours ago
Isn't this illegal in most places?
– grav
4 hours ago
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Ok well this would be a clear case of insider trading...
– TheSaint321
17 hours ago
1
This isn't even financially lucrative unethical advice. Sometimes layoffs make stock go up, because they say "look, we cut our operating costs. Our EBITDA has gone up. In the short term, we're even more profitable now." I've worked at a company who laid off 14 people (13 were valuable employees) with literally nothing to gain except for short-term EBITDA increase. Shortly after that, the CEO retired and presumably cashed out his stock as well. Related info: the CEO was relatively young, had only been CEO for about 3 years, and always prioritized EBITDA highly.
– John
16 hours ago
Isn't this illegal in most places?
– grav
4 hours ago
Ok well this would be a clear case of insider trading...
– TheSaint321
17 hours ago
Ok well this would be a clear case of insider trading...
– TheSaint321
17 hours ago
1
1
This isn't even financially lucrative unethical advice. Sometimes layoffs make stock go up, because they say "look, we cut our operating costs. Our EBITDA has gone up. In the short term, we're even more profitable now." I've worked at a company who laid off 14 people (13 were valuable employees) with literally nothing to gain except for short-term EBITDA increase. Shortly after that, the CEO retired and presumably cashed out his stock as well. Related info: the CEO was relatively young, had only been CEO for about 3 years, and always prioritized EBITDA highly.
– John
16 hours ago
This isn't even financially lucrative unethical advice. Sometimes layoffs make stock go up, because they say "look, we cut our operating costs. Our EBITDA has gone up. In the short term, we're even more profitable now." I've worked at a company who laid off 14 people (13 were valuable employees) with literally nothing to gain except for short-term EBITDA increase. Shortly after that, the CEO retired and presumably cashed out his stock as well. Related info: the CEO was relatively young, had only been CEO for about 3 years, and always prioritized EBITDA highly.
– John
16 hours ago
Isn't this illegal in most places?
– grav
4 hours ago
Isn't this illegal in most places?
– grav
4 hours ago
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You should really add which country this is, because the answer will very much depend on it.
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Did they indicate when the lay-off would be effective and until when they want you to keep the lay-off secret?
– das-g
Mar 3 at 13:30
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Does your partner have any connection to the company, e.g. as an employee, supplier, or customer?
– Andrew Morton
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Did they make you sign anything?
– ChatterOne
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And what are they going to do if you don't keep it to yourselves? Fire you?
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